Think about this instead. Most classes have a way to mitigate damage, and replenish their health. Ninja's have Shadow Shift, Monk's have earth's reply, Samurai have Third Eye Dragoon's have Life Surge, Black Mage's have mana wall Bard has Troubadour while all these classes get second wind, and the majority get bloodbath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zzzlol94
Red Mage has no way to mitigate damage, and vercure is their only significant heal. Vercure is fine when Red Mage's can't shield themselves like most classes can.
RDM's Vercure should be removed or heavily nerfed
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08-05-2017, 08:53 AMAriomi
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08-05-2017, 09:51 AMPrismaticDaybreakIt's .125% of each of their dps. The total raid contribution of Embolden maxes out at .75% with 3 physical DPS. It's not remotely as important as people seem to believe it is and really needs to stop being used as an argument tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa
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08-05-2017, 10:02 AMRawrz
Can't wait until next Expac. Vercure II? VerMedica? VerRegen? VerAssize??!?!
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08-05-2017, 10:08 AMDualgunnerPlease god no. Hopefully Vercure remains the only healing RDM has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawrz
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08-05-2017, 10:11 AMPrismaticDaybreakVerho- Oh wait a sec.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawrz
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08-05-2017, 10:12 AMKabooaMay I see your reference on the math for this?Quote:
Originally Posted by PrismaticDaybreak
It's 16% uptime on an average of 6% physical damage increase for up to 5 other people. Which puts it at 1% of, using a standard meta comp, MOnk/Sam, Nin, Bard, and Warrior, and 1% of Paladin if it's done during FoF windows (which it may not be, so admittedly lower)
Taking into account just Samurai/Monk, Ninja, and Bard, is around 130-140 on top of what Red Mage parses show in high percentiles.
Which puts them close to Black Mage in terms of bottom line.
Embolden isn't utility. It's damage. It's perfectly acceptable to include it as a point of reference when pointing out inequities in actual Utility (like Raise). -
08-05-2017, 10:15 AMRawrzIt's bait mate. I could honestly see vercure II being a thing though. Fills a slot for the next expac only potency changes. Keeps the job the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualgunner
But really when a rdm casts vercure its on themselves as if to say "Healers, I know i fawked up. Please understand that I'm sacrificing this gcd as penance. Please continue to heal me oh gods of the hp restore :["
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08-05-2017, 10:19 AMKabooaTurncasting!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawrz
Learn it, live it, love it! (Though I think a RDM would have to hardcast Veraero/Thunder to do it) -
08-05-2017, 10:27 AMDualgunnerOkay, ya got me. Good bait lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Rawrz
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08-05-2017, 10:30 AMPrismaticDaybreakMultiplying the 16%(well it's more like 1/6) and the 6% gives you the flat contribution of Embolden to rDPS. Divide the resulting number by 8, as that is the size of a full party. Reduce it by 2 partitions since 2 members are healers and don't do physical damage. Dividing the remainder by 6 equals .125% contribution per physical attacker to the rDPS increase of Embolden. Meaning the maximum amount of rDPS contribution you will ever get out of Embolden is a .75% increase. No it doesn't make up for the 2-400 DPS the most BLMs are ahead of most RDMs by, it barely hits 120 extra DPS to the RDM if you use the 1% figure, still not a relevant argument choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa
My math may be incorrect or some percents aren't where they should be, if it is, que sera sera. I haven't had to do intensive math for a couple years and I can't find the spreadsheet i calculated this out on.