Machinist is arguably the biggest let down of a class/job ever to me

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

I personally wouldn't push Overheating so much, rather sustain above 50 but below 100 heat values until your tools/CDs line up properly then push into it and make full use of it, especially because you'll have to suffer the damage penalty after. Without the full 70 kit, or at least Barrel Stabilizer however, this is much more difficult and should be kept to a minimum. If anything, sustained heat management is higher priority than Overheat bursts (currently)

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Thanks! I want to fully grasp it. I want to make this class work for me.

That's the spirit, my dude! Do the best you can with what you got. :D

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

If we're talking world first, cutting edge, speedrun comps, yes what you play matters. But seriously - and I'm calling all players out on this one - How many people are in world first-level groups? How many even care? Because seriously, if THAT is what matters, then like I said, if you're not playing SAM/RDM/BRD/NIN, you're wasting your time.

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This is always a rather... unfortunate argument. "Your dps doesn't matter because you don't raid with 1%ers". You might as well ask "why do you care about job balance" for all the good this does with anything. People who put in effort should see a proportionate return. Some people seem to delegitimize that for whatever reason. Naturally I don't mean you.

As MCH we should all work together to provide the best feedback possible about whatever problem we perceive to be there is and leave it to Square's balancing team to iron the rest out

I agree with you on that. What I don't agree with is the usual community overreaction that leads to things like "No [job]" PFs and doomsaying for a job that, yes, needs fixes, but is not so bad, SO unusable that everyone should just put it down, exclude it, and go find or level a Bard. Especially after all I'd seen in the Heavensward era, nothing is so absolute. This is why where some may overreact and be willing to abandon their favorite job (had a friend ready to stop playing WHM before SB for similar reasons and they turned out just fine) I'm literally sticking to my guns here.

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(had a friend ready to stop playing WHM before SB for similar reasons and they turned out just fine)

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Admittedly, what was shown with WHM early on did NOT leave a good impression.

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Originally Posted by Frowny

Admittedly, what was shown with WHM early on did NOT leave a good impression.

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No, but no one should ever feel like they'll absolutely have to stop playing a job they enjoy or are good at simply because it's out of favor, and especially based on community overreaction.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

No, but no one should ever feel like they'll absolutely have to stop playing a job they enjoy or are good at simply because it's out of favor, and especially based on community overreaction.

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There was no overreaction when people were smashing their faces into A3S.

It's so dad that it's so bad

I hope they buff Overheat enough that it's always a DPS gain if Wildfire is available.

It's kind of silly that the mechanic isn't even worth using until higher levels due to how much of a DPS loss you suffer without Barrel Stabilizer and Flamethrower to build heat quickly.

Every MMO must have a loljob, It's the 2nd Law of MMORPG.