Incentives to NOT queue as DPS

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Originally Posted by Pence

From what I remember....WoW gave satchels for the in-need bonus once upon a time (Back in Cata when I played endgame). This had a chance of dropping gil / items / super rare mounts. I think that may suffice for a bit. Put a rare mount, minion, glamours etc in it.

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I'd q up more for a chance at a cool mount.

A few other things the bag could have
-Rare crafting mats
-Food that gives a bigger experience boost than regular food
-Tokens for a glamour vender
-Other less rare but still cool mounts

Just so this didn't turn things completely backwards and make q's insanely long for tanks or healers, DPS could get these bags too but they should have a lower drop rate... 30% maybe. Healers and tanks could have a 90% chance to get a bag at clear. Not having a 100% drop rate would make the incentives last longer.

I'll accept a wire transfer to one of my accounts, who do I send my bank details to?

I thought they said they were adding additional rewards to incentivize queuing as something that was needed, but I only have a tank and healer at 70 so far and I haven't seen any sign of it.

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Originally Posted by Colino

I'll accept a wire transfer to one of my accounts, who do I send my bank details to?

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If you want to leave those with me, I'll make sure Yoshi P gets them.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Two miconic DPS roles at once was a little heavy handed. Regarding the tanks and healers, I have done a lot of reading and listening and have to conclude that although there are some issues for WAR/DRK and SCH, all 3 tanks and healers are perfectly viable in all the content we currently have for StormBlood - although tanks might need to focus more on keeping aggro and healers a little less on DPS.

Imagine that though, tanks focusing on max aggro and healers focusing more on...healing. Almost as if that was their role.

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WAR, DRK and SCH are definitely still viable. The problem lies in whether they're still fun to play or not. I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure most people play games to have fun.

Imagine though, Tanks actually having engaging mechanics rather than just being a DPS with a tank stance, some skills with aggro on them and passive mitigation cooldowns. Imagine bosses doing consistent damage that needs to be mitigated rather than a tankbuster every now and then. Or imagine bosses that need to be stunned or silenced.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

If you want to leave those with me, I'll make sure Yoshi P gets them.

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Awesome! This'll be better than that time I got contacted by Nigerian Royalty!

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Originally Posted by Dzian

Recently suggested this in a similar thread. Scrap the adventure in need EXP bonus entirely. instead make it a useable scroll type item that players can use on any job they so choose

If you had a scroll (ffxi players might remember things like miramettes memoirs) then you could run the roulette as a tank or whatever job job in need get a scroll and use it for an exp boost on any job you wanted. maybe equivelant of 10% of whatever level that job currently is.. so if I ran levelling roulette as a pld and used that scroll on my 60 blm. it'd be about 400k exp... it would need to scale though in order to work. because if it was just a flat boost. at a certain point it'd just not be worthwhile. kinda like what happens with guildhest roulette. even in mid 60s its still only 30k exp which is not even 0.5% of a level

Something like that would incentivise a lot of players to roll as a tank / healer and still allow them to level there dps jobs. this would have a 2 fold positive effect on queues.. firstly it would increase the number of tanks and healers thus reducing queue times for everyone...
if I had the option of running levelling roulette on dps and getting 900k exp with a half hour queue or getting 400k exp with no queue I know which i'd choose...

the second positive effect is that allowing these players to level there dps jobs whilst running roulettes as tanks/healers would also in turn decrease the dps queues for the rest of the playerbase and that again means even faster queues for everyone

it would be such a simple thing to implement and could would almost certainly improve queue times across all the roulettes

Essentially with this idea everyone wins
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That's what I have been saying in multiple threads created by non tanks trying to solve the issue.

I love play tanks, but I can not level other jobs while playing Tanks. give me a way to play tank while leveling other jobs and I will always play tanks. AKA.. exp potion / exp scroll additional reward like Tomestone for Max lvl tanks would be nice too.

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Originally Posted by ilea

Agreed -- I don't think changing the amount of DPS in a dungeon is tenable as a solution. That's 1-3 more DPS a tank has to keep track of; that's so much more damage being thrown out, which would make dungeons even more of a faceroll than they often are.

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What do DPS contribute to the party? Right, DPS. You know what Damage interacts with? Health. So all you need to do is to increase the health of the mobs proportionally and literally nothing would change - Except for a few select mechanics.
For your standard, run of the mill telegraphed AoE, it doesn't matter if there's one or one hundred DPS. It's when every player gets an individual marker or similar that things stop working, because you might run out of space to place the AoEs. I couldn't name an example in 4 man content off the bat, but that's where adjustments would actually need to be done. Though you could always just make the dungeons more difficult that way and tell people to deal - making them less faceroll in the process.

Tanking however doesn't get more difficult at all - the aggro of every DPS is tracked separately, otherwise tanks wouldn't work in 24 man raids at all. There are 15 DPS in those and tanks manage fine, because more DPS doesn't mean you need to generate more aggro.
Healing doesn't get considerably more difficult either - AoE heals have no fall-off, so group wide damage and single-target damage remain as is. If medica two can take care of the injuries of 2 DPS, it can also take care of the injuries of 200 equally injured DPS. If only one DPS gets targeted in the first place, there's no change either. The worst case of all DPS failing mechanics is the harsh part, because then you actually need to use more healing spells than you'd normally do.

It's not as much re-balancing as people make it out to be for 4-man groups. It's 8-man content and savage raids where the idea is more problematic - Alexander 12 Savage comes to mind, where you have your diffamation, tethers and the portals. A11 Savage as well, because there would be little space left at the clock positions. Those are some real issues that would need to be retroactively addressed on a case-by-case basis. 4-man content has not enough mechanics of that kind to matter IMO.

You should probably consider giving an incentive/reward to make me queue with strangers.
I don't mind playing healer/tank, but I rarely, if ever, queue without at least one or two friend, that I trust to not be bad at videogames. And I'm probably not the only one, who thinks like that.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

Recently suggested this in a similar thread. Scrap the adventure in need EXP bonus entirely. instead make it a useable scroll type item that players can use on any job they so choose [...]

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Agree with this.

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Originally Posted by Colino

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Two miconic DPS roles at once was a little heavy handed. Regarding the tanks and healers, I have done a lot of reading and listening and have to conclude that although there are some issues for WAR/DRK and SCH, all 3 tanks and healers are perfectly viable in all the content we currently have for StormBlood - although tanks might need to focus more on keeping aggro and healers a little less on DPS.

Imagine that though, tanks focusing on max aggro and healers focusing more on...healing. Almost as if that was their role.

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I'm incline to agree with you I just didn't want pitch forks that ppl have on here when you tell them to focus on their actual role lol