1 account buying 14 houses in 1 ward.

This whole situation sucks and should hopefully serve as a wakeup call for SE to rethink housing.

I mean...we all know it won't. But it should.

Also, like...who gives a damn if they bought the houses when the servers were empty? That's not the real issue. Shirogane housing opens up sometime in the next few months, correct? in theory, if someone is fast enough, they could do the same on a server that's actually well-populated. If we follow the logic that those two players did nothing wrong, what's wrong with someone else using a bunch of alts to buy a bunch of housing in Shirogane? They got there first. They didn't "cheat." The game allows it.

Would that make you angry? Why? They technically didn't do anything wrong. Whether or not the server is populated is ultimately 10000% irrelevant.

Personally, I think those two players are selfish and everyone like them is selfish. That said, that's only part of a larger issue which is: the housing system sucks. Limited availability is bad enough, but then the fact that this is even a possibility is insane and only serves to drive home just how poorly thought out the whole thing is.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

Can we stop saying they bought those houses after they were "empty for years?" Ward 12 was added last June and they bought them days afterwards. They were empty for a few days.

Also, they are not using all the houses they own, so clearly it's a waste for them to own so many. At least get rid of the ones that are empty/locked/barely touched.

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Exactly. People should actually GO LOOK. I did. The houses are built, but most are locked and empty. There's nothing there to them. Of the ones "decorated" they are barely decorated.


http://i.imgur.com/KlxMpOe.jpg

The image isn't "not" showing lawn items and such. It's just that there's nothing there on most of them. They're empty.

They are hoarding them. Why? Because greedy people suck.

" Leave them alone; they're housing enthusiasts!" ~~~ Lol seriously though the whole situation is garbage and should not be ignored.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

Do you honestly feel like if SE intended for people to own as many houses as they wanted...

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I think SE thought alts wouldn't really have a chance to meet housing req's while there were still houses available I think SE INTENDED for it to be a house per character as long as that character met reqs: level, money, story.

I apologize if my examples don't directly translate.. Cars and people ARE in limited supply though. Say ... classic cars. They will never be made again. Are the people who bought them and are collecting them GREEDY because they won't sell me one? My parents INDEED raised me to share, and taught me that nobody HAS to share if they don't want to . You are not entitled to someone else's gains no matter how unfair you think the system is.

People RP differently. some people wouldn't be able to reconcile 2 characters with vastly different narratives in one house.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Cars and people ARE in limited supply though. Say ... classic cars. They will never be made again. Are the people who bought them and are collecting them GREEDY because they won't sell me one? My parents INDEED raised me to share, and taught me that nobody HAS to share if they don't want to . You are not entitled to someone else's gains no matter how unfair you think the system is.

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This is not a valid argument. They aren't made due to several reasons; gas mileage, carbon output, and crash ratings. It has nothing to do with "greed" but safety ratings. Most of these cars now are show cars. They're not used for their intended purpose.

I wish people would stop making stupid arguments to try to weasel around that doing what they are doing is fine. It's not. They're hoarding TONS of server space, empty houses, for no reason other than greed. How anyone can agree that this is great and wonderful needs some serious reflection.

And this, this from one of the two...

"You, who don’t care about the fact that we have cultivated something unique, interesting, and amazing, because you feel it denies you the chance to throw up a hideous paissa wall and plop a chocobo stable and a garden plot in front of an otherwise unused black hole with Dragonsong screeching away in the background."

"How dare you. If you would look at something other than the placards in your impotent rage that the same FC tag is on a few of them, you just might notice you’re standing in one of the best goddamn wards in the entire game.

"If you really want someone to demonize, the people in Goblet 12sub – all those homes owned by FCless characters, whose homes are closed or, in some cases, entirely unbuilt – actually did what you thought we did. But you know what? Whatever. They still put the work in before those without homes." (Because you didn't work fast enough to game the system like them).

Seriously, these guys need counseling >.>

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I know lots of people who drive classics everyday as their cars. But I'll stop with that comparison if it doesn't work for you.

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You obviously have no idea about classic/ collector cars. To be deemed one, it has to be registered as one. They're ONLY allowed to be driven to shows, car meetings, parades, etc. They are NOT allowed to be driven for "pleasure". I'm sorry but the 80's muscle cars you're drooling over aren't classic/collector cars. Your argument is invalid.

There's no point in being mad at the people who own houses, because they're the symptom, not the cause.

I will never understand how anyone at Square Enix approved such a poorly designed, badly-implemented housing system that benefits what I estimate to be less than 5% of the total active playerbase.

If Square can't make enough wards to make housing available for every player (in addition to limiting the houses to one persona/one FC per server per account), then they should make housing instanced.

And if Square is unable or unwilling to make housing instanced, then they should just remove housing entirely. There's no point to the entire thing if the majority of players will never be able to access it.

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This is not a valid argument. ..

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I know lots of people who drive classics everyday as their cars. But I'll stop with that comparison if it doesn't work for you.
What they are doing is within mechanics and established rules. I never said it was great or wonderful. What I'm saying is they aren't the evil people everyone is making them out to be. Don't be mad at 2 people, they are very likely NOT going to change their minds. Be vocal to the creators of the game, for they are the ones who made the system that allowed this AND have the power to fix it.

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Originally Posted by Seraphyna

I wish people would stop making stupid arguments to try to weasel around that doing what they are doing is fine. It's not. They're hoarding TONS of server space, empty houses, for no reason other than greed. How anyone can agree that this is great and wonderful needs some serious reflection.

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They're either trolling or really have their priorities assed-backwards.

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"You, who don’t care about the fact that we have cultivated something unique, interesting, and amazing, because you feel it denies you the chance to throw up a hideous paissa wall and plop a chocobo stable and a garden plot in front of an otherwise unused black hole with Dragonsong screeching away in the background."

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I'll ask Yoshi P to get you that gated community package you desperately deserve then for all your hard work...

And the other stuff... seriously, major ego's there.

They shouldn't have made this mess since 2.1 and should have asked fans about what they wanted in housing system\. No matter how many wards they make, whether it'd be 500-1000 wards at this point, there will always be ppl finding out ways to buy whole plots in 1 ward. Either they make instance based ward for particular friends and groups to share the ward/land, or they just make one plot based as instance.

2.1 was disastrous and 2.3 was disastrous for adding personal and FC housing together, and then 2.55 with subplot with no additional wads was disastrous. 3.3 was disastrous and apartments didn't help.

So I want to know is this: how will people want to move out of small house/apartment due to limitations? How can they move to medium or large? Why can't everyone have their houses equally or at least have their preference of sizes/furnishings?

Adding lot of wards shouldn't really be that bad. So what is going on with these developers? Hope they'll answer this by next Saturday

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Originally Posted by Seraphyna

"You, who don’t care about the fact that we have cultivated something unique, interesting, and amazing, because you feel it denies you the chance to throw up a hideous paissa wall and plop a chocobo stable and a garden plot in front of an otherwise unused black hole with Dragonsong screeching away in the background."

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See I'm not going to lie, I want instanced housing mostly for the fact that I'll no longer be surrounded on all sides by hideous houses that make me cringe each time I run to the market board. However I'm not going to buy an entire ward just so I can take my toys and run off into the sunset with them. Just because I find a lot of people's decorating senses to be lacking doesn't mean I have any right to deny them the chance to have fun simply because I think I can do better some of the time. That's such egotistical and backwards thinking that it's a wonder to me that these people even allowed themselves to be put on record as saying this trite.

Also quite honestly, I'd much rather have a ward decorated to the brim with Moogle Poms and Paissa houses than a ward with empty gardens that sit in front of equally barren and locked houses. That ward looks dead for lack of a better term and the homogeneous nature of their aesthetic makes it all the worst for those few houses they have managed to decorate. It's boring and lacks life even more than the ward my FC resides in.