Transfer Restrictions and Roleplayers

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Originally Posted by Kuroneko_Jutah

And then offer no alternatives. Forgive my skepticism when the message you're sending out is "don't bother, this is the way things are and nothing you do will change it" smacks of a defeatist attitude and does nothing to help the situation at all.

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I genuinely think there are no realistic alternatives, unless SE starts to intervene. So I can't and won't offer them, because I don't have them. If you wish to be judgemental due to that? All the more power to you. You're free to have your opinion just as much anyone else here has.

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Originally Posted by Velynea

No need to become snarky now for giving information that this has been attempted in the past. It is better to inform people then inspire false hope.

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This is a unique situation. There's no way into Balmung and if some of those interpretations are correct, they're going to offer you the chance to have an organized transfer off of it, free of charge. It's a chance that hasn't been available before. Now's the time to organize. Take it or leave it.

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Originally Posted by cakesphere

I'm not sure what RPers were expecting exactly. Balmung and Gilga are very saturated player-wise. Trying to shove more people on them would only degrade performance further.

It would definitely be nice if SE could designate/recommend certain servers specifically for RP though, as FFXIV badly needs multiple RP hubs instead of one swamped one. WoW does this and it works well.

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Well considering Balmung was 1.x server and Gilgamesh started in 2.0, I don't think maxing out their particular servers was a big deal back then.

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Originally Posted by Kuroneko_Jutah

And then offer no alternatives. Forgive my skepticism when the message you're sending out is "don't bother, this is the way things are and nothing you do will change it" smacks of a defeatist attitude and does nothing to help the situation at all.

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Actually they were supporting the need for RP Servers rather than supporting an idea that has been tried more than once and failed. It was a little bit back as to their first post, and she has been rightly deterring people from posting this sort of thing over and over, because non-RPers who don't understand the time and work invested and those who just don't care, will always go the route they see as the "easiest" even if they do not understand the work behind something.

We NEED RP servers, not want them, to avoid problems for future players.

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Originally Posted by Velynea

I genuinely think there are no realistic alternatives, unless SE starts to intervene. So I can't and won't offer them, because I don't have them. If you wish to be judgemental due to that? All the more power to you. You're free to have your opinion just as much anyone else here has.

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I suppose that's true. I guess we're at an impasse. I simply don't think rolling over and waiting for SE to fix it (or advocating for such) is a healthy stance to take, especially for a community as robust and passionate as XIV's RP community.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

This is a unique situation. There's no way into Balmung and if some of those interpretations are correct, they're going to offer you the chance to have an organized transfer off of it, free of charge. It's a chance that hasn't been available before. Now's the time to organize. Take it or leave it.

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Exactly. Just to flesh out the "organized" part, and anyone fact check me with the lodestone article if you want, they are offering FC transfers, compensation for housing and furnishings, free transfers to new EU servers and designated servers across all data centers, and raising the cap on transferring gil to 10 million.

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Originally Posted by artemos7

Actually they were supporting the need for RP Servers rather than supporting an idea that has been tried more than once and failed. It was a little bit back as to their first post, and she has been rightly deterring people from posting this sort of thing over and over, because non-RPers who don't understand the time and work invested and those who just don't care, will always go the route they see as the "easiest" even if they do not understand the work behind something.

We NEED RP servers, not want them, to avoid problems for future players.

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Ehhhhh... even if they did that we'd still need to solve the "need people to move" part. Hopefully what SE is doing with transfers and such as I mentioned above will make it easier for folks on the fence about moving.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

This is a unique situation. There's no way into Balmung and if some of those interpretations are correct, they're going to offer you the chance to have an organized transfer off of it, free of charge. It's a chance that hasn't been available before. Now's the time to organize. Take it or leave it.

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If you would read anything roleplayers have said in this thread... People don't want to leave Balmung. (New) People want to be a part of the bigger RP community. The smaller ones? While they are precious attempt don't hold nearly as much roleplayers. I dare to say Balmung probably has over the a few thousand of roleplayers. Those ghost towns? At best fifty or so.

So if you were a roleplayer who would you wish to join? the thousand of potential people you can roleplay with, or the small ghost towns?

On top of that? Us roleplayers don't get magically get along, unlike what people appear to believe here? People's styles vary immensely. You can find on Balmung the more lore tight people, to people roleplaying DBZ. On those small servers? You don't have a choice. It is adjust or get out. Lots of people want to have that choice, find people they jive with.

In the long run this will hurt our roleplay community. Those smaller hubs, while I applaud their attempts, and I hope I'm proven wrong, are not what people want. We need need people into our roleplay community. New ideas, new characters, new stories, to keep a community going. We are aware that Balmung is full, we have housing issues and drama constantly. But this, if Balmung will be kept locked for a longer while, will damage the roleplay community of FFXIV as a whole. Because new people wouldn't want to join FFXIV due to Balmung being locked.

That is the crux of this post, what people appear to be missing. We are concerned if this temporary lock doesn't turn out to be so temporary, it will have dire consequences for our community.

But I suppose for non-RPers this all makes little sense and they merely compare it to just transferring your static over to another server.

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Moreover, players who to transfer to or create new characters on designated Worlds across all data centers will receive special bonuses as described below.
* Pleased be advised the bonuses planned for implementation are subject to change.

Bonuses
*Transfers to designated Worlds will be free of charge.
*EXP bonuses will be applied to designated Worlds (up to level 60).
*Gil and free play time will be awarded to newly created characters that reach a certain level on designated Worlds.
*EXP bonuses will be applied to newly established Worlds (up to level 60).
*Gil and free play time will be awarded to newly created characters that reach a certain level on newly established Worlds.
*For players who own personal housing, we are planning a number of provisions including a reimbursement for the full price of the estate, and compensation for the cost of furnishings which we will add in subsequent updates moving forward. We also plan to accommodate free companies members that plan to move together with or without a free company estate.

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Of these bonuses, how many fit your incentives for a mass-exodus. They haven't stated their designated worlds yet. What stops you from choosing this option. If they cannot give you everything (ie Housing), will you still stay?

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Originally Posted by Velynea

If you would read anything roleplayers have said in this thread... People don't want to leave Balmung.

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I've read it. Balmung is a problem and they're fixing it. If you don't want to adjust, then fine. Don't adjust.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

I've read it. Balmung is a problem and they're fixing it. If you don't want to adjust, then fine. Don't adjust.

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Honestly I might consider Mateus myself. At the moment I don't have an FC, and Balmung being Balmung, I've never had a personal Estate. The main issue I'd have is leaving my friends. I've also made an alt on Mateus to just look around a bit but what I'm seeing isn't exactly hope-inspiring. Maybe Ul'dah just wasn't the starting city to select. Sadly, there isn't much a level 1 can do to look around a server to get a good idea of what its like.

i think the trouble is SE don't know how big is the rp community in FF14 and it lead to that situation...
they try to carefully use them ressource, without a clear view of the rp community it's hard to take any action without risk usage of money for nothing... how many rp server do we need? on which datacenter? they are legitimate question that limit SE action.

don't get wrong, i want them to have a more clear stance about this. but how do it? even if they design 1-2-3 server as rp server, what will do the non rper player that are friend with Rper and want to play with them? what will happend if you create a new server dedicate to it, do the whole rp community will move out to the point to make some server empty? or barely populate.

i feel this situation can't be solved, it's clearly to late to have a clear solution for this. maybe they can create a new server dedicate to the rp, enforcing some rule for join this sort of server. but it will recquire more effort and investment on them side, and i don't see them do it without a good reason or a sure way to get back the fund invested.

it's sad, but that a situation that have arise countless time in many mmorpg and never have found a decent solution if is not done at the release of the game.