Please increase crystal sand amounts

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

That being said though, they haven't nerfed Relics and old content loot rates, so it's highly doubtful that they're going to do anything about this issue either.

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I still remember when the very first relic, it is very easy to obtain with minimum grinding needed
buy or ask a friend to craft the base weapon, ask a crafter to meld a materia
kill hydra, kill chimera
do a 50 dungeon run, kill 3 primal in HM
kill some beastmen
the only grinding is quenching Oil, and it wont take too long
the upgrade only require some item can be obtain with tomestone, and it wont take long either

it is when zodiac release, this painful long grind begin

long isnt an issue, repeating the same thing over and over is the problem
I do not understand why can't we have something like, do all 60 dungeon, all 50-60 HM primal etc
when i finish my first anima, i dont feel like want to touch the game for a week because the same repeated grind

I mean i understand, it is a relic, it is powerful mainhand, when it first introduce, but now when Bloodstorm that isnt far away, when A12S weekly cap being remove, there isnt really a reason to keep player grinding so long for an obsolete mainhand

I wouldn't mind seeing an increase in the sand after the first 120 (I know there is an RNG based chance) I've been sort of working on it and nearly 3 weeks into it I just got the half way mark today. It's not difficult, just time consuming if your really wanting to get it done.

Id rather see an increase to the light gathering stage similar to the relic light numbers. The crystal sands and umbrite stage feels like the long annoying part from relic where you have to do books so it will probably be what keeps animas rare. The light stage is seriously taking forever though, need higher light gains per run.

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

Most people have no interest in it, or don't have the time to devote to getting them leveled due to busy real world schedules or whatever the reason may be. This is something that game devs really need to start taking into account, as the vast majority of gamers nowadays are casual players who can only hop on for a short time in a given session. This is also why the F2P industry exists, and why it is so lucrative.

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No offense but that is a lot of excuses, the person you're replying to is already telling you maxing out crafters and gatherers can be done with very little time spent per day over many weeks/months, so the whole busy schedule thing is just a bad excuse.

You just don't want to do it, and that's perfectly fine, but you don't get to ask for similar benefits as those who put the time and effort into maxing them.

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Originally Posted by Misutoraru

I still remember when the very first relic, it is very easy to obtain with minimum grinding needed

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There's something you're leaving out there, you had to beat content that was very difficult for the majority, I talk about Titan HM, Titan was no joke when people didn't overgear him.

Titan HM was the reason why they changed relic design, they went from "something you have to do difficult content to achieve" to "something you have to spend a lot of time to achieve, but content is faceroll easy", also after titan hm every hm trial became faceroll.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Titan HM was the reason why they changed relic design, they went from "something you have to do difficult content to achieve" to "something you have to spend a lot of time to achieve, but content is faceroll easy", also after titan hm every hm trial became faceroll.

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i was wearing Darklight set when fighting Titan HM we did wipe a few times, but i feel it is actually easier than the extreme primal we have in HM

Not sure how people are legitimately arguing that leveling crafters and gatherers from 0 is a viable way to gather crystal sands. You would spend your time doing that instead of other things to progress you in the step in other ways. Having them leveled is a pretty good thing to do, but it should not need to be a focus of a casual player (i.e. don't complete 100% everything to max level) in order to complete something which is supposed to be casual.

Ixals are so unbelievably annoying I loathed doing them. There are a lot of quite tedious quests that require you to gather and craft mats. This isn't something you can do in "very little time in a day" along with your other typical daily roulettes, etc. Not to mention if you are using the levequest amber method as well you can't use leves for leveling them up. Either way it isn't a valid solution for a typical player.

A better one would be like be able to trade-in potsherds for sands or something since running 1-50 or 51-100 potd is actually something that is fairly casual and takes only a little bit of time.

Also before you argue against me, I leveled my crafters via leves and ixals (for my cul) and it was arduous and time consuming. Originally for my GSM I leveled up a bit via crafting logs and doing desynth and I would wish that upon no one. Moogles are very fast but until you get there it can take quite a bit of effort and gil especially if you are doing other ARR tribes for unidentified tokens. Gathering is even worse if you don't have levequests since there is no gatherer beast tribe. I used all my levequests to get ambers so I Just get my 6 quests per day and am currently leveling my btn and miner and even I am questioning the meaning of life after gathering like 2,000 logs lol. ( I got my lucis and forager hat too lol )

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Originally Posted by Misutoraru

i was wearing Darklight set when fighting Titan HM we did wipe a few times, but i feel it is actually easier than the extreme primal we have in HM

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Everyone was wearing mostly Darklight back in 2.0 for the Titan fight and the fight was hard due to the cascading damages, player competency (when I was in Adamantoise, getting to heart phase is a miracle) and the latency issues that forces some players to move ahead of what was displayed.

Well.... it is a hard mode fight, it will definitely be easier than the extreme primals

Red scrips are useful as well for this. You can convert 50 red scrips into 0.8 sand. A super easy way to get quick red scrip is the new weekly delivery system. In about an hour with max rep you can get 1080 blue scrip and iirc ~480 red scrip for 11 sand. It can only be done once a week, but it's super fast for such a high reward.

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Originally Posted by RenAshdoll

Everyone was wearing mostly Darklight back in 2.0 for the Titan fight and the fight was hard due to the cascading damages, player competency (when I was in Adamantoise, getting to heart phase is a miracle) and the latency issues that forces some players to move ahead of what was displayed.

Well.... it is a hard mode fight, it will definitely be easier than the extreme primals

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it is weird, when HW arrive, the HM primal in HW feel nothing like ARR HM Primal
but I would still prefer doing primal HM for relic, at least it is not repetitive content grind

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Originally Posted by enthauptet

Not sure how people are legitimately arguing that leveling crafters and gatherers from 0 is a viable way to gather crystal sands. You would spend your time doing that instead of other things to progress you in the step in other ways. Having them leveled is a pretty good thing to do, but it should not need to be a focus of a casual player (i.e. don't complete 100% everything to max level) in order to complete something which is supposed to be casual.

Ixals are so unbelievably annoying I loathed doing them. There are a lot of quite tedious quests that require you to gather and craft mats. This isn't something you can do in "very little time in a day" along with your other typical daily roulettes, etc. Not to mention if you are using the levequest amber method as well you can't use leves for leveling them up. Either way it isn't a valid solution for a typical player.

A better one would be like be able to trade-in potsherds for sands or something since running 1-50 or 51-100 potd is actually something that is fairly casual and takes only a little bit of time.

Also before you argue against me, I leveled my crafters via leves and ixals (for my cul) and it was arduous and time consuming. Originally for my GSM I leveled up a bit via crafting logs and doing desynth and I would wish that upon no one. Moogles are very fast but until you get there it can take quite a bit of effort and gil especially if you are doing other ARR tribes for unidentified tokens. Gathering is even worse if you don't have levequests since there is no gatherer beast tribe. I used all my levequests to get ambers so I Just get my 6 quests per day and am currently leveling my btn and miner and even I am questioning the meaning of life after gathering like 2,000 logs lol. ( I got my lucis and forager hat too lol )

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The Ixali quests aren't as fast as the moogles, but they're certainly something that can be done in very little time. Even if you do like 9 quests per day for them, it takes less than 30 minutes if you have any idea what you're doing. Some of the crafts can certainly be frustrating once you get to HQ stuff, especially without a lot of cross classes, but they're not too bad. Also the last rank gives you crafting IV materia, which are always nice.

Gathering via grinding is perfectly viable. Just use survival manuals and then do collectibles as much as possible once you hit 50. If you're smart, you can use it to help level your crafters and make a profit simultaneously by targeting things that can be crafted into something that will sell for a decent amount on the MB, such as cobalt ore and turning it into ingots or plates.