Apocatastasis. Nobody really gets their dps penalized except for the aoe tp/mp recovery from ranged support. NIN has a ton of utility. DRG has less but what it has is highly desirable in the max dps meta. Casters and MNK don't offer much, defensive benefits and a lot of them redundant with healer/tank utilities.
@Cynfael about Clemency... isn't it better to cast on a party member that's in trouble? It heals them and you. A lot of threat too I'd think, being a 1200 potency heal on them and 600 potency heal on you?
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01-07-2017, 03:23 PMMadrone
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01-07-2017, 11:16 PMCynfaelThe thing is that no one should want the PLD to play healer unless the actual healer is dead or incapacitated, so no, I don't think this function of Clemency has value except as an emergency tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Madrone
I don't mean to knock emergency skills all the time, but it's frustrating if something like Clemency is presented as an example of successful healing skill hybridization. I have less enthusiasm for abilities that you rarely want to touch unless things go to shit, especially in this case where the healer role already has no issues meeting healing requirements with time and resources to spare. -
01-08-2017, 03:32 AMYhximott
Looks to me like RDM will be the first Job to have both a gap closer (like Plunge) and a distance maker (like Repelling Strike). I think that's what's being described as "high speed positioning". Not so much positioning at flanks or rears, but more a rapid switch between being in melee range and safe spell range.
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01-08-2017, 03:39 AMmosaicexDRG says hi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yhximott
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01-08-2017, 03:44 AMDeMarcy
I agree - maybe it can be some magical Dragoon-like class! But im very excited about it :)
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01-08-2017, 04:27 AMMadrone
Yeah DRG's 2 jumps that move them and 1 jump back all have pretty hefty cooldowns, like 60s, 3m, and 3m. I think the expectation is RDM would be able to jump in and out a lot more frequently as a rotationally driven kind of thing. But 30s or less timers on those moves... or cooldown reset functions for them could easily be wrong too. Gotta wait and see.
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01-08-2017, 05:41 AMJudge_Xero
It does look like with Double Cast RDM is tossing up Dia (DEF down) and that other one that THM used in 1.0 that gives MDEF down followed by that thrust that maybe gives a Piercing Damage debuff.
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01-08-2017, 11:14 AMYhximottDRG can only escape and reduce enmity though, not damage, which is why I mentioned Repelling Strike rather than Elusive Jump. It's this set of in-and-out positioning that i think will be their "positional" characteristic.Quote:
Originally Posted by mosaicex
My hope is that they'll cast spells from afar to "en" their weapon with stacks of damage boosts or effects that will debuff the enemy on contact, rush in, smash the target with a ton of damage or debuffs, then dash out to start charging again -
01-09-2017, 01:14 AMOnly1zbro
AGAIN, DRG has two jumps that are gap closers that do dps as oGCD's. We are just saying....I personally agree with you, Yhximott and anyone else that mentioned, these movement based skills on RDM as seen in the small trailer we got will probably be the core of its gameplay. So being up much more often makes sense. Then again, just like DRG which is renowned for it's Jump throughout the series, maybe it won't.
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01-09-2017, 02:08 AMKhalitharNo, I think they were expecting something more akin to Light of the Protector from WoW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apeiron
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=184092/...-the-protector
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Calls down the Light to heal you for 30% of your missing health. 15 second cooldown.