Make Stone Sky Sea mandatory

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Make Stone Sky Sea mandatory

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I know, man, I know. But it's never gonna happen. Look at this thread, just look. Never gonna happen, man.

The title of this thread just read/sounds like some Trump slogan every time I have to read it. This game already has one too many lock-outs on content than it should. So it does not need one just to fulfill the jollies of some parser junkies.

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Originally Posted by Natashio

The title of this thread just read/sounds like some Trump slogan every time I have to read it. This game already has one too many lock-outs on content than it should. So it does not need one just to fulfill the jollies of some parser junkies.

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SSS is set to the minimum DPS required to clear the fight, not for pulling epeen numbers. Clearing the SSS dummy would just mean that you are able to pass the DPS check as long as you play decently. There's realistically no harm in requiring it, if you can't pass the SSS dummy you can't clear the fight anyway. If you want, go try and do the A9S Savage dummy when you unlock it, they're not as hard as you think.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

SSS is set to the minimum DPS required to clear the fight, not for pulling epeen numbers. Clearing the SSS dummy would just mean that you are able to pass the DPS check as long as you play decently. There's realistically no harm in requiring it, if you can't pass the SSS dummy you can't clear the fight anyway. If you want, go try and do the A9S Savage dummy when you unlock it, they're not as hard as you think.

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Hmm... I read from someone else earlier in this thread saying that the DPS is set higher that minimum, to take in the effect that there are mechanics to avoid and such.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

...SSS is set to a higher requirement though, since it accounts for having to do mechanics, evade aoes, etc. in the actual fight...

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Not sure if this person speaks the truth or not. But reading these two different statements on how SSS dps check works makes me wonder, how does it actually work?

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Hmm... I read from someone else earlier in this thread saying that the DPS is set higher that minimum, to take in the effect that there are mechanics to avoid and such.

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That's the minimum, it's not like you can go into a fight and have the option to just stand there and DPS (unless it's A1S Faust).

Mhm, I see. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

This is a terrible idea.

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Judging by your simplistic response, I feel like this system would be designed for you and the 43 others who have Liked your post as of now. :) If you're worried about being gated out of content, then you better nut up and git gud.

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

You're aware that some people even if they are capable of beating the dummy, still need to be carried via pf, df, raid finder, fc, group of friends etc? I don't wanna waste my time going in there, beat it and get told what I already knew... Pointless request.

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This is exactly what he's referring to by a "probation period." If you prove you can at least hit your buttons in the correct order, you make it to the next stage of being in the party which is proving you can jump rope while hitting your buttons in a mostly correct order. If you can't even crawl, why would we want you to walk or run with us?

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Originally Posted by Fyce

This is only doable if people want to improve themselves to then be able to join such networks. Unfortunatly, these people are a minority. So, your network will reach a limit quite quickly, and the "bad players issue" won't be solved at all.

Making a "network of good players" will only feed disparity and hate from a group of players to another. Bad players will despise good players for being so "elitists", and good players will despise bad players who don't want to improve.

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This is the exact cause of the "lack of PF parties" I see complaints about all the time. I've done this. I'm in multiple LS of people who do care about improving and can get content cleared. I rarely start party finder parties and would rather run with people I know have the same mindset. Maybe if people were more open to advice, they would be able to find parties instead of complaining about a dead party finder. Nobody is obliged to carry anyone else through a fight.

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Originally Posted by Klamor

Judging by your simplistic response, I feel like this system would be designed for you and the 43 others who have Liked your post as of now. :) If you're worried about being gated out of content, then you better nut up and git gud.

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Eh, I'm cool with making it an optional checkbox in the PF and not a compulsory thing. I don't have any issues with doomed parties taking up instance slots for difficult content or anything like that, so long as everyone's having a good time. But I do think there's a very real fear of a lot of players discovering they don't really measure up, and that's why so many people are against this idea. It's not a crime to suck at a video game, ffs, but you really shouldn't expect everyone to let you ride along for some of the hardest content it offers, either.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

I don't want a parser for clear or farm party finder groups, personally. I just want a parser to evaluate myself and my team accurately. I think that the reasoning against a parser is misguided and ill-conceived.

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Exactly this. I don't want to bully anyone, having hard numbers behind how well I'm doing shows me whether I need to improve or not. Of course it doesn't tell me HOW to improve, but it's still very useful.