That's such a douchey and elitist thing to do. Them kicking you, I mean. You were doing your job, and it was just a damn roulette. Are they expecting raid-level play from people in Duty Finder? Seriously, everyone here who's telling this guy he deserved getting kicked out, you need to get that stick out of you. It's just a game, and he wasn't even doing hard content. If a healer is doing his or her main job, which is not letting people die (not even keeping people topped off), then why be such d***s to him? I agree that it's kind of annoying when I see people being lazy, but to each their own! It shouldn't make you miserable if they are, and you shouldn't make them miserable by kicking them either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zolvolt
You could have replied with some explanation instead of staying quiet, though, I'll give them that.
What can I do to stop this?
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05-31-2016, 02:55 PMFernosaur
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05-31-2016, 03:38 PMHoodRatIf my friends and I got paired with a healer who clearly is doing the bare minimum and doesn't respond when we try to tell him he can do more, we most likely would have kicked him as well. Not everyone is okay with carrying people who don't feel like putting in effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fernosaur
So it's okay for people to be bad and slow down other people if the content is easy? lolwutQuote:
Originally Posted by Fernosaur
It's fine if you want to eat and play at the same time, I've done it before multiple times. But if you are playing with other people and are putting your food before them, you have no right to be upset when they kick you because you're more interested in your food than clearing content with the group. -
05-31-2016, 06:21 PMFernosaur
The thing is, from what he's saying, he wasn't even getting carried. He wasn't spamming AoEs or whatever, but no one was wiping because of him. At most they "lost" five extra minutes of their life in that dungeon, five minutes which would have probably been spent staring at a computer screen in Facebook anyways. What I'm saying is that it's making a very big deal out of a really minor thing. It's Duty Finder, there are much worse people you could get than someone who is doing their job despite not playing 100% optimally.
Also, you can't always expect everyone to have the same amount of skill as you do. They might be doing their best effort, but they may just be bad at the game, or be learning their rotations, or just plain be rusty after a long time not playing. Does that mean they're not allowed to play it and should be kicked? That's just toxic mentality, dude. You can't have expectations of super optimal play in something as trivial as the duty roulette. -
05-31-2016, 08:15 PMwinsockhahahahha. Having a criminal trial is about proving you committed an action that already isn't legally tolerated. Your response about "fair trials" has nothing to do with "live and let live".Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian_
Here is a clearer example for you. Let's say the behavior is adultery / you adopt the lifestyle of a cheater. It is a perfectly legal thing to do, but it isn't socially acceptable for the majority of ppl. Not saying that you can't do it, just saying it's a selfish thing to do and you shouldn't cry "live and let live" on the internet if ppl reject that behavior.
You are aware of your actions and are aware that the are not socially acceptable. You should not be surprised if there are social consequences. Those consequences might be disapproval and social rejection rather than a prison sentence, but they are still consequences you've earned yourself and have no right to complain about. -
06-01-2016, 12:58 AMRed_WolfLOL, was wondering why nobody seemed to like you. I had to read back a little ways to find it but wow...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian_
What you are actually saying here is that your time is more valuable than everyone else's. You won't win any friends with that attitude. I don't know how to make you realize that, but assuming you've made it this far along in life without that lesson... prepare yourself for a lonely adulthood. -
06-01-2016, 11:10 AMSekuHunts, maps, or beast tribe quests. - You don't have to do roulette or dungeons. I actually would look into hunts instead if you can get a small group together, the poetics and seals from the original areas basically would have you working on two items at once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zolvolt
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06-01-2016, 11:20 AMBrian_No, the basis of live and let live is you afford other people the same right to life you afford yourself. I really don't get how you are having such difficulty with even the literal meaning of words. Even if someone commits a murder, they are entitled to the same treatment under the law as you are. It's not like just because they commited a murder, the laws no longer apply to them. That is the stance you and many others in this topic are taking. You're saying that the 30-minute leaver penalty is not sufficient punishment in the case of deliberate leavers and thus need to apply your own laws based on shaming people. You are making the argument that you deserve something that you deny others the right to have.Quote:
Originally Posted by winsock
And to say leaving a dungeon is the equivalent of cheating is hilarious. No, it's not. It's the figurative equivalent of breaking up with someone or getting a divorce. You must be some far-right conservative zealot who believes that marriage is literally until death do you part. You must honestly believe that after you put that ring on, you forfeit a number of your rights as a human being. You are saying that people should not be given the right to a divorce or a one-sided break-up.
And to be clear, I'm not complaining about anything. I'm pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of a bunch of SJWs on an internet forum. You slander me for wasting other people's time but you yourself have undoubtedly wasted countless hours of other people's time in other ways. -
06-01-2016, 11:31 AMBrian_Reading comprehension is obviously not the strong suit of the users of this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red_Wolf
I am hardly saying my time has any more value than someone else's. I am saying that everyone has the right to enjoy the game within their individual rights. Others are making the suggestion that once you sign up for a roulette, you forfeit your freedom and the right to decide to leave.
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06-01-2016, 12:57 PMwinsockMy argument is that there are social consequences for behavior. I said nothing about changing game mechanic. I said you're being selfish and childish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian_
I can provide other examples for you to help you understand. If you don't think infidelity fits because of the severity, how about plain old lying? If you embrace dishonesty, you shouldn't be surprised if ppl disapprove of that behavior and no longer trust you.
Or what if you're someone who breaks a lot of commitments? If you frequently tell your significant other / parent / room mate that you will complete chore X and failed to complete said chore on several occasions, you shouldn't need surprised if they consider you to be unreliable.
Or in this situation: if you consistently treat people without any consideration for their wants, needs, and emotions, you shouldn't be surprised if you're labeled as "selfish".
The hypocrisy you are seeing is a delusion, but you are unable to see that because you are not considering the feelings of other people.Quote:
And to be clear, I'm not complaining about anything. I'm pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of a bunch of SJWs on an internet forum. You slander me for wasting other people's time but you yourself have undoubtedly wasted countless hours of other people's time in other ways.
* Ppl come to forums to browse, read, and participate in discussions.
* Ppl queue in the DF to be paired with a team to try to work throw group-based content.
^ if you consider other people, you'll notice that you are denying them what they expected to receive, solely because you didn't get what you wanted from a "roulette", which is childish.
However, if you completely remove empathy from the above, you'd get your logic:
* Reading takes time.
* Re-queuing takes time.
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06-01-2016, 02:06 PMBrian_
Like I pointed out in my first post, all sides in this are guilty of being selfish. The fact is you are calling out the selfishness of some while excusing the selfishness of others. Everyone is in it for their own goals. My stance this entire time is that people will be selfish. The most you can do is hope that your goals align. And, like I detailed in my first post, the current roulette system doesn't exactly help ensure that your goals will align.
And within this topic, there are numerous other issues people have brought up that fit with this idea. Eating while doing a dungeon run and thus not playing optimally? How exactly is it not selfish to expect others to accommodate that? But, at the end of the day, if you want to express that selfishness, you are fully within your rights to do so. All I am saying is that the other party members are equally entitled to express their selfishness and kick you or drop the duty.
You call it childish. I'd say the mature approach is to take things in stride, understand the give-and-take of social interactions rather than being a judgemental and over-righteous SJW, and not get caught up in the blame and shame game.
As for your other examples, they're not worth addressing as they're just as hysterically inaccurate as your older ones. The sooner you expand your perspective, the sooner you will realize how flawed they are. When I have a falling out with someone, my first reaction is not to call them a sack of selfish, childish crap. It's to understand that our paths simply couldn't align.
As for your final point, the basis is flawed. People queue into DF for various reasons. To assume you are the judge of everything and everyone is beyond presumptuous. But, given your holier than thou posting history, it's not surprising that you are on that high-horse. Take the Castrums for example. Some are in there to actually experience the story. Some are in there to just progress their MSQ. Some are in there to farm tomestones. The different groups have conflicting goals. At the end of the day, all you can hope and expect is for the people who want a fast run to push for a fast run in their own way while the people who want to enjoy the story can hopefully do that. If a cut-scene gets skipped due to clearing too fast, that's too bad. If your run is not as fast as you want because a few people are watching cutscenes, that's too bad. If you can't deal with it, make your own group of individuals with shared goals.
The only thing guaranteed about a DF queue is that nothing is guaranteed outside of your ability to leave with a 30 minute penalty. You are trying to twist that FACT for the sake of argument. If you don't want to deal with a tank leaving, queue as a tank or find a tank who is willing to stay and queue with them.
You are quite literally blasting leavers for not wanting to deal with RNG and then turning around to defend people who don't want to deal with the RNG of getting a tank who leaves. They are all a part of the RNG that is DF.