your healer may hate you.

Benediction is there for a reason. Its not a limit break. Its a free heal, and a good one. If you are stuck at 10% mp and refuse to use it...well do the math.

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Originally Posted by EudoxiaB

just because you see a well geared, experienced tank grabbing ALL the trash in a dungeon and dragging it to one spot so the dps can aoe, that doesn't mean your tissue paper wearing self can do the same thing. Benediction is NOT meant to be used on trash pulls. if your healer has 10%mp after a trash pull, you're pulling too big. period. and don't take off and do it again when the healer is under 50% mp. you may feel like a god, but you're just a goof with inferior gear. stop it.

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And then on the flipside, I've gotten hate from healers because I DON'T pull big. They're awfully presumptuous about the group they're with, like we all know what we're doing. :rolleyes: Not to mention most classes don't have much in the way of AoE (black mages and later on monks are the only ones I can think of), making it even less worthwhile. My philosophy, especially when it comes to tanking random content, is slow and steady wins the race. Any time it's otherwise, it becomes a mess.

It's funny how useful my MB on BRD would be until I started leveling.

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Originally Posted by Joe_Schmoe

My philosophy, especially when it comes to tanking random content, is slow and steady wins the race. Any time it's otherwise, it becomes a mess.

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Exactly... one wipe completely negates any time you save by rushing through the thing. Why bother? It's really not that much faster. Most of the dungeons are built with gating. So it's really impossible to be that much faster then just grabbing packs of 3 and 4.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

You don't need healers for the current expert dungeons anyway so I don't really care if they hate me. Everything hits like a level 50 mob. It's stupid.

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All credit to you and other dudebros in this thread for my new signature. *eyeroll*

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Originally Posted by Lyth

I generally aim to have the dungeon cleared before the healer has time to formulate an opinion about me. Ideally, they should still be too engrossed in their TV show to notice.

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Best quote ever! Literally should be the message board equivalent to a mic drop.
When I heal, if I have to stop watching Veep, and get out of Cleric Stance... Urgrhgr Vote kick becomes an option! (kidding)

It also depends on the healer. When I go as SCH I don't have the tools a WHM does (like Benediction) so if the pull is too big I spend more time healing and less time contributing to DPS. A slightly smaller pull goes faster because Selene can keep the tank up while I DoT the enemies.

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Originally Posted by Edvardelis

It also depends on the healer. When I go as SCH I don't have the tools a WHM does (like Benediction) so if the pull is too big I spend more time healing and less time contributing to DPS. A slightly smaller pull goes faster because Selene can keep the tank up while I DoT the enemies.

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To be fair new expert dungeons rarely need heals. Im usually in cleric 90%of the time as whm and sch. Whm is a bitch on mp tho compare to sch :p.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

All credit to you and other dudebros in this thread for my new signature. *eyeroll*

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Are you the dev who made the dungeons or something? Sorry, they suck.

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Originally Posted by Tsilyi

people need/use paeon in expert? why are the pulls taking so long?

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Because they're using Paeon!!11!1

But seriously, I'm all for people taking a slow and easy pace if that's what they are comfortable with; I'll be a little disappointed but it will be something locked away deep within my heart, don't you worry. That said, I get the impression that most, if not all of the Tanks I get who pull small do so because they somehow think the DPS isn't good enough. Look, I get that Ninjas aren't the best AoE'ers out there(the person I often party with) and Bards don't have the most amazing damage(the class I play), but that's no reason to stop. I am by no means a good Tank and I certainly do not raid, but I've done a full pull on Amdapor City(HM) plenty of times with an i201 Dark Knight, one instance even involving one of our DPS d/cing, leaving us with only a lonely DRG. No Living Dead or anything special required. I had to burn through more CDs than usual of course, but there was no real danger throughout.

Now, account for the fact that most people are less lazy than I am with iLevel upkeep these days and you can rest assured that DPS should not be a a concern for large pulls in the current Expert.



On the topic of songs though, I no longer bother with checking if the healer is even DPS'ing. I just sing and focus more on myself rather than wasting rotation and cast times on starting it whnever they decide they are ready, plus some classes might gain small benefits from it such as through Mudra skills perhaps? I'm not sure but I have no other use for that MP so I may as well spend it.