Please Add no bonus option for PF

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

The majority of raiders use a pre made group of 8 people so whats the point in adding the no bonus filter? The whole idea is to find 8 ppl that work together, there is no way a sephi ex run clears perfectly without voice coms.

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While I disagree with your post as a whole, I'll answer this bit in particular. People have lives and not everyone can make all raid days (emergencies, real life etc.), sometimes statics are incomplete. What happens in these cases is that they go into PF and PUG someone. A lot of the time people are respectful, but we have entire raid nights ruined because of PUGs lying, not pulling the DPS, not understanding the mechanics, and that just isn't justifiable when we requested someone who is on the same level as our group.

This isn't even taking into account people that don't have statics and rely on PF to farm for their gear. Here is a question: If I advertised a Thordan bird farming group, why shouldn't I fully expect everyone to be competent at this mechanic intensive fight? And why shouldn't I want measures to make sure that the entire session won't turn into someone joining for the clear and then leaving when they have it (best case scenario, worst case is they completely screw us and we have to disband)

I really don't get people vehemently against this.

You seem to be making arguments against PF Farm parties excluding people that haven't done it before. That's not really the topic at hand. The topic is about a tool which would, as many others stated before, prevent people from lying about if they did it already or not.

What's the gripe? Would you prefer farm parties form, go in, see the message, everyone gets pissed at whoever the potential 'leecher' is that lied their way in, and then disband?

This obviously wouldn't affect learning parties, which form and sometimes actually succeed anyway.

Because no one joins training groups...they see practice and don't bother.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

Because no one joins training groups...they see practice and don't bother.

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I make practice and clear groups all the time. Please try again. It's still not your right to join a farm party when you are not fit to farm. You talk about self-entitlement but think it's ok to hijack a group without consulting the PF leader beforehand without meeting the requirements set.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

Because no one joins training groups...they see practice and don't bother.

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So you are saying that lying is acceptable? Also, I have been in many learning groups, they are fine, maybe you are joining at the wrong time of day. Alternatively, make some friends, and even if you don't have all 8 people, PF groups are more attractive the fuller they are. PLEASE do not lie to a group, and please don't come here trying to justify it as acceptable, because it is not.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

Because no one joins training groups...they see practice and don't bother.

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Do you feel that gives people the right to join those that are farming the fight then?

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

Because no one joins training groups...they see practice and don't bother.

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And not implementing this would help that separate situation out... how? Most farm parties DON'T continue on after getting that message, so people aren't getting their clears from those.

So I get where the OP is coming from, but if the party wipes consistently because of one scrub they should be easy enough to identify. If there are multiple scrubs then it isn't really a farm party, is it?

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Originally Posted by Jamillion

So I get where the OP is coming from, but if the party wipes consistently because of one scrub they should be easy enough to identify. If there are multiple scrubs then it isn't really a farm party, is it?

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Why should the party have to wipe first though? These types of PFs are in PF all the time, adding this would just make it easy for those that set up those parties.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

I just do not see why splitting the raiding community up from the others even more into the first ones who have plenty of time to clear and those who don't have as much time but love to raid...doesnt make sense since the raiding community is one of the smaller groups i mean how many are actually doing Sephi Ex? I only every seen at most 2-3 parties.

The majority of raiders use a pre made group of 8 people so whats the point in adding the no bonus filter? The whole idea is to find 8 ppl that work together, there is no way a sephi ex run clears perfectly without voice coms.

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Wut? Are you serious? I've been in farm parties where one wipe = disband and we didn't use voice comms.