Alexander Gordios Savage T3

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Originally Posted by Andrea

Im not sure if being sarcastic, trolling or actually serious. Savage alexander is indeed 100% optional.

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Yeah, until you want to progress further than i230 in this patch. Then OH WAIT, suddenly Savage is the only way to get better gear.

By your logic everything in this game is optional. Technically it is by definition of a theme park MMO. I could say farming tomes for your Lore gear is optional, going into Midas NM for 220 is optional. Fact is, if you actually want to play the game, it's not. Not really. Just like Savage.

Savage SCoB literally had nothing to gain from it other than a title. The coffers dropped exactly the same loot as regular SCoB.

Savage Midas might not be optional at the moment if gear progression is (quite reasonably) defined as one's main objective.

Savage Gordias is definitely optional now.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

I could say farming tomes for your Lore gear is optional, going into Midas NM for 220 is optional.

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Well...it is..

Also yes, in a MMO you are correct in that everything is optional.

Edit: I feel I should clarify I do not care if it got nerfed or not. I am simply saying that even on the patch it came out with that it was and still is optional content.

Square Enix is so out of touch with the playerbase sometimes.

NO ONE asked for Savage to be nerfed. Almost everyone who is interested in doing the completely optional Gordias Savage want to do it for the CHALLENGE. Tons and tons of people have been waiting to get better gear before finally tackling the much hyped AS3 and its interesting mechanics. Now the mechanics have been nerfed, and victory would just feel hollow. What's even the point?

Nerfing fights into the ground like this without providing the option to do it the original way is sacrilege in any video game.

For SCoB, Square Enix provided the Savage mode as a way to retain the original difficulty of SCoB when it was nerfed. But this is ALREADY Savage! It should never be nerfed in the first place, but if they feel the need to do it anyway they should at least make the nerfs optional.

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Originally Posted by Singularity

Savage Midas might not be optional at the moment if gear progression is (quite reasonably) defined as one's main objective.

Savage Gordias is definitely optional now.

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Just like T1-4 were when SCoB came out, and those were nerfed. Just like 6-8 were when FCoB came out, and those were nerfed.

I like all these people citing coil getting nerfed was okay because it had story. But really the complaints for a story mode didn't start happening well into final coil, and well after first and second coil were nerfed into the ground. Really one could argue that the story in coil still hasn't been taken into consideration to this day or we'd have a story mode like alexander. As it is there's still several fights in coil, in its heavily nerfed state, that can take even unsynced parties, crack them in the teeth and easily wipe the floor with them, and the average player dfing it is very unlikely to clear them in their first (or second, or third...) lockout.

Anyway, for alexander gordias, I'm sure saying, "Hey that raid, you know the most hated one to date?"Yea that one. It was pretty good actually, can you not nerf it please?" is just spurring the dev team into action and definitely not eliciting snickering and belly laughs.

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Originally Posted by Singularity

Just because it's happened before, doesn't mean it should happen now, nor that it was right then either. Being optional is an argument for content not to be nerfed.

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I'll also point out that T1-4 and 6-8 have story content.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

For SCoB, Square Enix provided the Savage mode as a way to retain the original difficulty of SCoB when it was nerfed. But this is ALREADY Savage! It should never be nerfed in the first place, but if they feel the need to do it anyway they should at least make the nerfs optional.

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SE released SCOB Savage when they wanted to give an extra challenge, for fun, with the fights un-tuned in their original design, as in how it was designed before it was "ready for release." It wasn't released to be a vintage throwback. It's harder than un-nerfed SCOB was.

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Originally Posted by Singularity

I'll also point out that T1-4 and 6-8 have story content.

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And take it one step further:

You had to complete 5 of the 1-5 series for access to 6-9. You had to complete 9 for access to 10-13. That's why SE ultimately nerfed them - because otherwise, players would've been at an even larger loss trying to play catchup if they weren't up-to-date on the current raid tier.

Interesting that a direct nerf is not OK but handing out gear better than what the content was built around is not an issue. If you really want a challenge then maybe you should do the new savage? Oh and if you haven't cleared the old savage stuff by now you probably where never going to.