is WAR the best MT now?

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Originally Posted by Syzygian

tl;dr "no nerfs pls buff other tanks, w8 no, don't buff the other tanks, then they might actually be well designed like us, can't have that no sir" - this is what I feel like i'm reading sometimes. Feel free to disagree.

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Oh, I surely won't disagree on that.
Last night, one of my friend said the same about the recent MCH buffs : "MCH got something and BRD didn't have the same"..."Well, duh, it's because they deemed MCH a little weaker than BRD...if you buff BRD on top of that, then MCH will still be deemed weaker"

That's why, whenever someone rejects a PLD (or DRK) buff by screaming "OoooPppp !", I usually ask them "Will it make you chose that tank over a WAR ?" and, 9 out of 10, the answer is "Hmmm...no" :p

Oh, and don't judge by my profile, I'm not a MRD main...I still don't understand why the forum keep saying it :confused:

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Originally Posted by Syzygian

tl;dr "no nerfs pls buff other tanks, w8 no, don't buff the other tanks, then they might actually be well designed like us, can't have that no sir" - this is what I feel like i'm reading sometimes.

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You're right that tank swapping as a WAR is definitely more fluid, however much like a WAR still needs to anticipate when the tank swap is happening, so does a DRK/PLD. So, knowing this, you just go "ok, turn on tank stance here, Provoke, enmity combo". It's definitely clunky if you're just going into a fight completely blind, but it's not exactly a big deal when you know when the tank swap is coming. A5S, for example (if you're not pulling) - figure out how many combos until Concussion, change stances during that combo, Provoke, and you're done. Same deal with WAR, we just... can do it oGCD. I dunno, I agree that it's definitely more fluid on WAR but it's about the same ease of use. I guess WAR's is faster but like... does that really matter?

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Originally Posted by RecklessLion

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What? All tank stances give the same eHP. This means defiance is just like ShO/grit. Defiance also buffs heals recieved to balance things out. This means it's not harder to heal a WAR than DRK, nor squishier. In reality, the fact that their HP yoyos harder is meaningless. If anything, WAR has IB for an extra 20% mitigation with whatever cooldown they want to survive anything. I don't know how you can say they rely on a healer more when they're mathematically just as tanky. They also have amazing AoE thanks to maim, berserk, IR, double decimate and overpower spam (vengeance too?). The best AoE DRK has is abysmal drain with SaE topped with a DA DP before blood price runs out, which is real good, but even that can't compare with a fully decked out AoE WAR rotation.

I'm genuinely curious, how do you NOT see WAR as what many call a superior tank or best MT?

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Originally Posted by Hierro

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I dunno, I think some of these idiots like to think their job can do or offer something that WAR can't, or that maybe their skill as a player can see them through content regardless of job or role. Morons, amirite?

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Originally Posted by Hierro

I'm genuinely curious, how do you NOT see WAR as what many call a superior tank or best MT?

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Simple...

• Stacking is bad
• WAR is the best OT by a greater margin

So, by default, it's often better to take another tank as MT :p

Honestly, taking Grit/ShO off the gcd would not be balanced move, considering that while war enjoys stance dancing, going into defiance does not make it any tankier until they're healed.

Reducing Grit/ShO to 1s cast time with a 10s recast spell (like Emp Arrow kinda), would be the way to go imo. Best of both words, though grit needs a mp cost reduction or something cause swapping grit on/off is murder. Or an GCD ability with 1s cooldown and a 10s recast. Just because it has a cast time doesn't mean it has to take 10 years.

This has slowly becoming my class is the best thread.

It could be lack of sleep, but i'm genuinely confused by the concept of something being on the gcd but with a recast time different from the gcd. Also how would giving it a cast time be anything but a hinderance?

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Originally Posted by Hierro

Is it so wrong to want to go that extra mile? Is it so wrong to enjoy pushing out meaningful damage while still holding true and fulfilling your primary duties as tank? What you're basically saying is that every tank should be happy being in tank stance 24/7 while spamming only their aggro combo, because hey, "DATS YER JERB!" Just because you're complacent with never leaving the comfort of tank stance means everyone else should too.
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Is it so wrong to want to go the extra mile? Is it so wrong to enjoy tanking and reducing damage as a DPS tank on Dragoon while still holding true and fulfilling your primary duties as a DPs? What you're basically saying is that every DPS should be happy spamming their Damage combos and keeping their oGCD's on cool down, because hey "DATS YER JERB!" Just because you're complacent with never leaving the comfort of not taking tank busters as a dps doesn't mean everyone else should to.

That's how you sound like. Just a fyi.

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Originally Posted by MaethusXion

I still find it funny that when I run VA and any trials SINCE 3.01 I don't see any WARs stepping up to MT any bosses.

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It's because they won't let me. I've tried to be an MT in many VA runs as a warrior, but DRK or PLD won't let me. They tried so hard to rip off the boss' agro from me and well... I let them. PLD and DRK have the exclusive MT spot in VA or other trials from what I see.