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T13 did not require a monk, many groups cleared T13 without a monk w/o melding vit.

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The job has no heals built in GCD that can reach above 150 healing potency

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I assume you are referring to AOE healing in which case succor has a 150 potency heal + 150 shield = 300 potency. If used with the mindset of a sch, it'll be 300 potency. The short cd is for solo/burst healing.

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Originally Posted by Houston009

T13 did not require a monk, many groups cleared T13 without a monk w/o melding vit.

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After a while. No one is arguing what you can do when you're overgeared.

Except people did it prior to overgearing, smh.

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Originally Posted by TatoRazzino

The job has no heals built in GCD that can reach above 150 healing potency, requiring a cooldown to do it, and also is a job tied up to using a very small number of stacks to do anything including burst DPS, burst single target and AoE heal. But it's very reliable with a fairy that pops a heal worth 200 whenever it feels like doing (unless you macro it and lose half of its utility). But that's diversity and reliability, and it's my bias that is showing. I wonder what SCH mains will do when SE stops catering fights to the job; maybe they'll play Botanist.

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Well they say ignorance is bliss. Let me help your ignorance here.

Adlo: 300 potency shield, 300 potency heal. Emergency 600 potency heal.
Succor: 150 potency shield, 150 potency heal. Emergency 300 potency heal.
Physick: 400 potency heal.
Embrace: 300 potency heal.
Whispering dawn: 700 total potency HoT (aoe).

So about those GCD on sch that dont go higher than 150 potency.......where are they? Is it the case that you flat out dont understand how sch works?

Also fairy heals when the good sch tells it to, the bad sch is the one you describe that doesnt manage the fairy. Also fairy heal potency is 300 for embrace, not 200.

Get your information correct, curtail you obviously blinding bias, and people may start taking you seriously.

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Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael

Well they say ignorance is bliss. Let me help your ignorance here.

Adlo: 300 potency shield, 300 potency heal. Emergency 600 potency heal.
Succor: 150 potency shield, 150 potency heal. Emergency 300 potency heal.
Physick: 400 potency heal.
Embrace: 300 potency heal.
Whispering dawn: 700 total potency HoT (aoe).

So about those GCD on sch that dont go higher than 150 potency.......where are they? Is it the case that you flat out dont understand how sch works?

Also fairy heals when the good sch tells it to, the bad sch is the one you describe that doesnt manage the fairy. Also fairy heal potency is 300 for embrace, not 200.

Get your information correct, curtail you obviously blinding bias, and people may start taking you seriously.

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Cast Adloquium on yourself. Write down the number. Cast Embrace on yourself. Write down the number. Compare the two. Embrace heals for 2/3 of the value you get from Adlo, which means the 300 heal that's written in the tooltip is scaled to get an output that's worth 200. The same is valid for Whispering Dawn. This has been stated in the forum several times, with a lot of complaints from SCH mains. I suggest you learn more about your job; since the fairy is so important, you should pay more attention to what it does.

And the SCH Emergency 300/600 heals are something both WHM/AST (in any sect) have built in their GCD, not requiring any shared cooldowns. Do you want to embarass yourself more with your ignorance about the actual healing output of the job you play or can we start getting serious with the discussion?

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Originally Posted by Houston009

I assume you are referring to AOE healing in which case succor has a 150 potency heal + 150 shield = 300 potency. If used with the mindset of a sch, it'll be 300 potency. The short cd is for solo/burst healing.

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Short CD is still a CD no matter how much SCH mains try to cover it up. Shielding works different than healing, for several reasons. I don't know why SCH players try to cover the job's weaknesses and mechanics with flawed excuses. The job is amazing, and so is WHM and AST. It's just not built to do the same thing the others are built to do. It can main heal with effort, but both WHM and AST can also off-heal with effort. They compensate with burst what SCHs do with sustained. It's not ideal, but the party can manage it with a little effort. I don't know why people are ok with making an effort to accomodate a SCH main heal but it's the end of the world when a WHM/AST want to off-heal.

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Originally Posted by TatoRazzino

And the SCH Emergency 300/600 heals are something both WHM/AST (in any sect) have built in their GCD, not requiring any shared cooldowns. Do you want to embarass yourself more with your ignorance about the actual healing output of the job you play or can we start getting serious with the discussion?

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Why do you insist on ignoring the shield aspect of SCH's heals?

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Originally Posted by TatoRazzino

Short CD is still a CD no matter how much SCH mains try to cover it up.

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Just LOL.
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Originally Posted by TatoRazzino

Cast Adloquium on yourself. Write down the number. Cast Embrace on yourself. Write down the number. Compare the two. Embrace heals for 2/3 of the value you get from Adlo, which means the 300 heal that's written in the tooltip is scaled to get an output that's worth 200. The same is valid for Whispering Dawn. This has been stated in the forum several times, with a lot of complaints from SCH mains. I suggest you learn more about your job; since the fairy is so important, you should pay more attention to what it does.

And the SCH Emergency 300/600 heals are something both WHM/AST (in any sect) have built in their GCD, not requiring any shared cooldowns. Do you want to embarass yourself more with your ignorance about the actual healing output of the job you play or can we start getting serious with the discussion?

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Embrace is 300 potency, the scaling is different. Many people know this.

So about those heals SCH has that non of go above 150 potency......shall we talk about that now?

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Originally Posted by Houston009

Why do you insist on ignoring the shield aspect of SCH's heals?

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Because they clearly have no understanding of how SCH works. And when confronted with facts brought up by other that show their arguments hold no validity, they ignore them........

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Originally Posted by TatoRazzino

Short CD is still a CD no matter how much SCH mains try to cover it up. Shielding works different than healing, for several reasons. I don't know why SCH players try to cover the job's weaknesses and mechanics with flawed excuses. The job is amazing, and so is WHM and AST. It's just not built to do the same thing the others are built to do. It can main heal with effort, but both WHM and AST can also off-heal with effort. They compensate with burst what SCHs do with sustained. It's not ideal, but the party can manage it with a little effort. I don't know why people are ok with making an effort to accomodate a SCH main heal but it's the end of the world when a WHM/AST want to off-heal.

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Please show us where the devs have stated that SCH is this "off-heal" class you base your arguments off.

And its not about people covering up SCH weakness, its about people calling out your misinformation which is quite frankly some of the worst the healer forums have seen in a long long long time.

With this absurd argument you are making about "Short CD", then lets ignore Divine Seal since that has a cooldown, presense of mind, assize, asylum, tetragrammaton, essential dignity, collective unconscious, draw, royal road etc etc etc. The fact that you seem to not understand that this argument you are attempting to make applies to all three healers equally is a joke.

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

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Pass me some of that popcorn please!

In all seriousness though.... If you compare SCH to the other healers at any level you will generally come to the conclusion that SCH makes everything easier and safer. It's not to say the other healers are bad, they aren't, but a SCH is better in the game's current state, regardless of how marginal that may be. They are not required for anything but they make everything safer, more so than a Noct AST. A Noct AST has no Crit bonus on Aspected Bene and doesn't have free healing with a fairy. They do have buffs in their cards, but those don't work very reliably (I would argue they are less reliable than a Crit but I have no math to back that up). And the power of a SCH's healing has already been beat to death, so I'm not going to reiterate the power of Emergency Tactics.