So Specialist Recipees are in the game.

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Originally Posted by Espritduo

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Lol, you go try to clear A1S in i180. Its definitely possible if you and your team are exceptional...now try A2S. OK, harder. A bunch harder. A3S? Oh crap, I don't have enough HP to live through the soaks in phase 2...nevermind meeting the Hand of Pain DPS check.


So...how are you going to complete all content on all jobs again? Because just zoning into a fight isn't the same as finishing it (without being carried)

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Incorrect. Souls of the specialists are buyable with red scrips, and it /is/ something you would do if you want to specialize everything, as it's the only way to do so.

Not like you need a lot of red scrips or even the red scrip gear for much than buying mats.

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I'm sorry.. do you not understand that you're limited to ever owning a maximum of three specialist souls at any given moment? It's not like you just save up for a complete collection of crafter souls and then you're set forever. If you want a fourth soul you have to relinquish one of the three you currently own, and then you have to buy it back again (and dump another soul) if you want to swap back. Do you know how ridiculously impractical it is to be switching back and forth as needed?

The fact that you can switch souls.. it's not meant to be used the way you're suggesting crafters use it. That's why the cost of constantly switching is crazy. It's meant to be a safety net - as in your three souls aren't permanent choices and can be switched if you made a mistake/regret your choice.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

So...how are you going to complete all content on all jobs again? Because just zoning into a fight isn't the same as finishing it (without being carried)

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Wait a few months for the echo buff? At least combat classes have that option. Still not going to be able to have more than three crafting souls when that happens, though - still going to be stuck.

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Originally Posted by Gyson

Wait a few months for the echo buff? At least combat classes have that option. Still not going to be able to have more than three crafting souls when that happens, though - still going to be stuck.

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Save up your Red Scripts? Can change it out every week as you please. Can I change out my i200+ gear every week for a couple tomes?

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Lol, you go try to clear A1S in i180. Its definitely possible if you and your team are exceptional...now try A2S. OK, harder. A bunch harder. A3S? Oh crap, I don't have enough HP to live through the soaks in phase 2...nevermind meeting the Hand of Pain DPS check.


So...how are you going to complete all content on all jobs again? Because just zoning into a fight isn't the same as finishing it (without being carried)

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You said it yourself, it's definitely possible. Crafting a recipe intended for specialists on a non-specialist class should also be possible....but only if you are an exceptional crafter who really knows how to get everything out of what you have to work with. And I'm not arguing whether you're gud enough to clear the content. That's a skill issue, not a system issue. Point is, you can go into A4S and experience it as whatever role you like. Your gear and class choices are not locking you out of anything. And if we're going to bring the "realistic" perspective of just how unfeasible A4S in i180 might be to actually clear, I will bring the real fact that anyone serious about doing this will have had plenty of time and opportunity to gear multiple classes up well past i180. I myself have three classes at i190 and don't raid at all. Plenty of my raider friends are above i200 on multiple classes at this point, without clearing A4S (no one on Mateus has cleared it as far as I know, lol). If I could eventually buy all specializations, even if it I had to eat 480 red scrips a week to do so...I would be perfectly fine with the whole system and would have only slight grumblings along the way about that guy who made a Faerie Chandelier before I did.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Save up your Red Scripts? Can change it out every week as you please. Can I change out my i200+ gear every week for a couple tomes?

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You do realize red scrips are used for more than just Soul of the Craft switching right? I use that Soul, I lose my crafting for the week. Perhaps 3.1 will alleviate this with more ways to get the mats, but it is still a HUGE sacrifice to switch specializations, and one no crafter takes lightly, and most don't take at all.

I'm a little disappointed that I can't do everything, But I suppose I'll live with it. On the assumption they don't screw it up and make three of the DoH's specialist recipes clearly better than the rest, like they did with Desynth and after a fashion the Demimateria recipes.

As they currently are, specialists are absolutely pointless. Those 'specialist' skills? Not worth the paper they were designed on. You're better off sticking to cross-class skills like you do for 90% of your crafting career. They rely so heavily on RNG that to get any use out of the skills, you have to have the luck of the Irish. There is not a single specialist skill which is worth wasting space for on your hotbar at the moment, not even 'Heart of the XXX', since that is still very random and eats consumables to boot!

Personally, I'm totally okay with them adding specialist recipes. My only issue is that I have strong doubts that these recipes will actually be worth crafting. Right now, the high level crafts that you might actually want to make are items that are only aimed at crafters, namely the top-end tools. This circular premise of 'we craft, so we can craft some more' is one of the reasons I got disheartened by their design choices.

I want something interesting added. Something that makes my specialist worth being a specialist. I won't get excited until I see the update for myself.

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Originally Posted by Airget

Greedy players win? Aren't the greedy ones the ones who want to do everything without relying on others? Personally I think those who want that option and be "self-sufficient" are greedy because they want to be able to monopolize on everything rather than accept that at some point they may need help from others.

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this, I hate to bring this up, but they even had a my lil pony friendship is magic episode on this. -_-;; not liking the show but it does have a point.

Not asking for help can be just as rude as asking for too much help

Wait how is not asking for help rude? Why ask for help when you don't need it? To me specialist is like classes > jobs really. Let's see if they did that to battle jobs and only let ppl have only 3 job crystals at a time I willing to bet people wouldn't like that.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Save up your Red Scripts? Can change it out every week as you please. Can I change out my i200+ gear every week for a couple tomes?

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It's not quite that simple. If you use your red scrips to change a specialization, you're also locked out of crafting materials for the week. Crafting materials can technically be purchased off the market board at a premium. However, on my server, most are not even available except for purified coke (occasionally) which has been selling for around 250k each (this translates to over 1.2 million gil for a single adamantite ingot; usually 3 or 4 of these kind of materials are required for a single piece of gear). For this reason, buying the materials is not an option for most crafters at the moment, but that might change in 3.1.

I doubt most raiders would want to swap out their i200+ gear in this manner if it also meant being locked out of all raids for the week unless they paid a huge entrance fee.