Ifrit reward system seriously needs tweaking

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Originally Posted by Burn

Dare I say it, copy/pasted voidwatch chest loot!

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I thought the same exact thing, did FFXIV miss the extremely large chunk of XI players that are still furious about this drop system in voidwatch

also, absolutely no to the popups for enemy drops, they are extremely obnoxious, XIs system is the one worth copying (except voidwatch)

Alot of people are saying this system is similar to ones in FFXI, which they also mention are very painful lol.

1 in 7 chance to get the weapon you want (number of classes) multiplied by 1 in 8 (the number in the party) =1/56 chance
equals less then 2% chance... say it drops 3 weapons... thats still less the 6%. Every time you do ifrit its about 5.3%
its worst then forbidden materia crafting

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Originally Posted by Gold_Lion

1 in 7 chance to get the weapon you want (number of classes) multiplied by 1 in 8 (the number in the party) =1/56 chance
equals less then 2% chance... say it drops 3 weapons... thats still less the 6%. Every time you do ifrit its about 5.3%
its worst then forbidden materia crafting

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Forbidden Ifrit Loot system

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Originally Posted by ViciousValentine

Alot of people are saying this system is similar to ones in FFXI, which they also mention are very painful lol.

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this is only liek Voidwatch in FFXI's loot system, outside of voidwatch FFXI has an excellent loot distribution pool

I don't really see the issue here with a 5% or even a 1% chance to get the best weapon in the game... I mean once you can kill the guy once you can get it on farm right? And each time someone does pop and get their weapon it will just make the fight that much easier. I mean really do you want a 25% or a 50% or a 100% chance to get the best item in the game? Seems to make it really pointless. I mean everyone would be running around with one pretty quickly if that was the case. And can't you repeat and fight him as often as you like? It's not like World of Warcraft which has 24 hour or 1 week lock outs. Didn't get the item you want too bad wait a day or a week to try again.

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Originally Posted by thepoet03

I don't really see the issue here with a 5% or even a 1% chance to get the best weapon in the game... I mean once you can kill the guy once you can get it on farm right? And each time someone does pop and get their weapon it will just make the fight that much easier. I mean really do you want a 25% or a 50% or a 100% chance to get the best item in the game? Seems to make it really pointless. I mean everyone would be running around with one pretty quickly if that was the case. And can't you repeat and fight him as often as you like? It's not like World of Warcraft which has 24 hour or 1 week lock outs. Didn't get the item you want too bad wait a day or a week to try again.

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The issue isn't the chance, its the fact you get loaded down with things you don't need in the mean time.

I hated in FFXI when I was bogged down with tons of Seals for every job except the ones I wanted. With no ability to trade in for something useful, it feels like a waste of a reward -- basically the rule of odds. Even though you don't actually get 1 drop every 8 times, the average rate is going to be at least close to that, so people feel cheated out of their [1] when it drops as another weapon. Additionally, when, within range of that [8] you get two drops that aren't what you want, the default feeling is that now it's going to be 1-in-16 for the next one. even though it doesn't actually work like that, odds tend to evoke feelings of consistency and balance like this.

Its the same for me when building decks for Magic. technically if I'm running 20 lands in a 60 card deck, I feel cheated if I don't draw one every 3rd turn. It makes perfect sense if I don't, because its totally random, but when you're playing the odds there's a weird internal assumption that things are going to work out towards the ratio.

The best solution to this is if Ifrit would drop some kind of voucher (such as "Ifrit Horn" R/Ex) into your inventory and you could turn it in to the Quest NPC for weapon of your choice, more like defeating the Avatars in XI. I really like that it bypasses loot because it shits on (unnecessary and corruptible) point systems, but I totally agree that getting a weapon you can't (or don't want to) even use is completely ridiculous.

I've always thought it would be nice if MMO could regulate their own rewards better than allowing players to determine where loot goes when it drops. It's as simple as earning points (like ampoules in Einherjar) and turning those in for powerful rewards rather than random loot drops. It also eliminates the threat of loot ninja and favoritism in morally deficient LS governments. I admit it's not as exciting as getting Ridill to drop, but I think it would be a nice alternative.

So this is just like a too extreme version of how it should work, in my opinion.

They arent the best weapons in the game...materia attached gear can become more powerful.

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Originally Posted by ViciousValentine

They arent the best weapons in the game...materia attached gear can become more powerful.

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Don't you love the way that feels when you type it? Ugh. Its like playing FFVII online almost. (And I'm not even a huge fan of 7)