Power Leveling is an flaw and decreses the personal value of a Max level character.

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Originally Posted by Travesty

Grind does not have to mean Mindless. That's a misconception that the people I was talking about seem to be spreading.

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So what about Role Play is related to grinding the same monsters/leves for hours on end, that isn't the same as being power levelled?

If you want to take things as literally as you seem to, you are gaining experience by watching another person destroy things, thus your character is studying from his master. There you go, some Role Play for ya!

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Originally Posted by Vahzl

So what about Role Play is related to grinding the same monsters/leves for hours on end, that isn't the same as being power levelled?

If you want to take things as literally as you seem to, you are gaining experience by watching another person destroy things, thus your character is studying from his master. There you go, some Role Play for ya!

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Like I said, the grind does not have to be the same monsters/leves for hours on end. In fact it shouldn't be, because that's boring. But that's a flaw with game design that FFXIV should deal with by making the grind more enticing and interesting through content and game design, instead of largely removing leveling from an RPG, which is just another form of bad design.

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Originally Posted by Travesty

Like I said, the grind does not have to be the same monsters/leves for hours on end. In fact it shouldn't be, because that's boring. But that's a flaw with game design that FFXIV should deal with by making the grind more enticing and interesting through content and game design, instead of removing leveling from an RPG, which is just another form of bad design.

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But you didn't answer my question, what about it is not RP?

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Originally Posted by Vahzl

But you didn't answer my question, what about it is not RP?

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I didn't answer your question, because it was completely unrelated to what you quoted.

And RP is different than the label of RPG. Leveling is a fact of the genre referred to as "RPG." Role playing is a much more all-encompassing term. Technically you could say almost every game is a game in which you're "role playing."

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Originally Posted by Vahzl

But you didn't answer my question, what about it is not RP?

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Dude that's some wall your talking to.

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Originally Posted by Zeroeffect

You and I both know the system that is in place at the moment well it sucks. But until SE comes out and tells us it's not what they wanted people are going to PL all day every day until they fix it end of story.

BUT you and your friends and anyone else that doesn't like the system as it is doesn't have to play it that way. Go play the game the way you all want to play the game and enjoy it.

You can't force people to play this game any other way than the way they want to so stop trying to.

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LEGALIZE GAY MARRIAGE NOW!

... wait... this isn't... *walks away*

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Originally Posted by Answa

LEGALIZE GAY MARRIAGE NOW!

... wait... this isn't... *walks away*

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Sounds to me like you have something on your mind and it's not PLing!

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Originally Posted by Zeroeffect

Dude that's some wall your talking to.

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This is the huge problem with the people on this forum. They are impossible to converse with once they have planted their feet in their ideas pot, they will not rest until a forum admin has said "We are aware of this, now please stop spamming and go back to the game and carry on doing what you are complaining about not doing".

Take the WoW forums for example, I WANT A BLUE RESPONSE NOW! <--- Meaningless, as they are forum admins (IE Customer Service) not the developers. People just get horny over font types it seems.

So why don't you stop posting?

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

So why don't you stop posting?

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Why would I? My responses are as valid as yours, however we always seem to be at odds with each other. Seems people don't like it when people have a difference of opinion.

Also when I make threads that are for development feedback, I give a clear explanation as to what I experience. I don't just open a thread with LOL PL IS OP KAY KAY!

My biggest worry though, is that should people just go with the attitude of "You can't argue with these people so why bother" is that this stupid vocal minority will begin to control the changes the game has, because everyone else has given up offering their own opinions and the most worrying part is, that so far, alot of the changes have been a result of blanket thread canvassing on the issues raised.

I do hope a consideration is made for those that don't post here too, as the majority seem very happy to be playing now.