Sorry, but no tank should pure vit stack right side.

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09-12-2015, 03:45 AM
Kerwin

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Originally Posted by ArdorGrey

troll harder pls

Lol, why are you so defensive? It truly is just your opinion. To which everyone is entitled to. No need to get salty friend. :^)

I also have NO problem holding aggro with full VIT. I hold aggro just fine while maximizing my HP. Making it easier on the healer while the DPS nukes down the enemies all the while I still output decent numbers. Sure I'm not going to out DPS a WAR, but that goes without saying. (PLD)
09-12-2015, 03:53 AM
Andy22

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Originally Posted by Pooky_Pasha

That research is over two years old. It is well out of date and not correct. This is better and more recent: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...modifier_info/

Thx for the link, but i cant find any data/tests related to how flash scales with str? I understand that enmity scales with damage, but we where talking about flash which deals no damage.

So you base your assumption on the fact that str increases damage in a linear way and its logical that it should also increase flash linear. The problem i have with this, is that this was also the case for the old damage testcase and yet flash did not scale linear with str in the tests done. So there seems to-be no real data on this actually?
09-12-2015, 04:14 AM
ArdorGrey

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Originally Posted by Andy22

Thx for the link, but i cant find any data/tests related to how flash scales with str? I understand that enmity scales with damage, but we where talking about flash which deals no damage.

So you base your assumption on the fact that str increases damage in a linear way and its logical that it should also increase flash linear. The problem i have with this, is that this was also the case for the old damage testcase and yet flash did not scale linear with str in the tests done. So there seems to-be no real data on this actually?

It listed the potency, potency is based on your attack power and strength, as indicated at the top of the informative post by the brief "damage=enmity".

more info from the very first link I googled: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ty_potency_of/

I don't understand why you're making this such a point of contention, but if this information doesn't satisfy you I encourage you to do your own testing and post the ressults.
09-12-2015, 04:17 AM
FallenWings

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Originally Posted by Andy22

... So there seems to-be no real data on this actually?

Real data is available to you in game. Get one of your chums into a party(Preferably a BRD/MCH with WM/GB respectively or a BLM) and have them cast one GCD weapon skill on a striking dummy and disregard critical hits and reset the dummy if they occur. Remove all equipped accessories or equip full fending accessories, and use Flash on the dummy once. Note the difference in enmity generated underneath your job icons in the party list. Reset dummy and redo the test once more but have full slaying accessories equipped. Note the difference in enmity generated again.

Assuming that there is still a notable difference, we can safely assume that Flash does a hidden potency that does infact scale with STR.

... And I guess in regard to topic: As any DPS will tell you...

ENOUGH IS NEVER ENOUGH.

Aggro generation is not a problem even for VIT tanks. It's mostly that it also could mean inoptimal damage output for PLD/DRK due to having to rotate more RoH/PowaSlash.

I mean... If a tank is having problems with aggro at this point in the game... Making him relatively harder to heal isn't going to make things any more smoother either. ONE PROBLEM AFTER ANOTHER! MRRRRRGRGHRGHRHgl;tjkufy;c tkdj
09-12-2015, 05:56 AM
Andy22

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Originally Posted by ArdorGrey

It listed the potency, potency is based on your attack power and strength, as indicated at the top of the informative post by the brief "damage=enmity".

more info from the very first link I googled: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ty_potency_of/

I don't understand why you're making this such a point of contention, but if this information doesn't satisfy you I encourage you to do your own testing and post the ressults.

I simply wanted to understand if the assumption posted was in fact based on real testing or just a extrapolation of common knowledge, so i can assess if i rather test this myself or not. So as it turns out the old test seems tobe the only one done for this case, which contradicts the common str/dmg linear scaling. So yes if i really want to know how flash scales with str i need to test this myself it seems.
09-12-2015, 06:56 AM
ArdorGrey

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Originally Posted by Andy22

I simply wanted to understand if the assumption posted was in fact based on real testing or just a extrapolation of common knowledge, so i can assess if i rather test this myself or not. So as it turns out the old test seems tobe the only one done for this case, which contradicts the common str/dmg linear scaling. So yes if i really want to know how flash scales with str i need to test this myself it seems.

Good luck with the tests, let us know how it goes! I might try to get around the checking it out on my own some time. The easiest way would be to grab a pld buddy with identical gear, have one person gear str and the other vit and have a flash-off. make sure substats are the same though, even though it seems like crit doesn't affect it.
09-12-2015, 07:41 AM
Kerwin

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Originally Posted by ArdorGrey

Good luck with the tests, let us know how it goes! I might try to get around the checking it out on my own some time. The easiest way would be to grab a pld buddy with identical gear, have one person gear str and the other vit and have a flash-off. make sure substats are the same though, even though it seems like crit doesn't affect it.

Then in this case the PLD who wears Piety accessories would win because he would have more mana.

lol what a stupid comparison. A flash off.... Just wow.
09-12-2015, 07:42 AM
winsock

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

I also have NO problem holding aggro with full VIT. I hold aggro just fine while maximizing my HP. Making it easier on the healer while the DPS nukes down the enemies all the while I still output decent numbers. Sure I'm not going to out DPS a WAR, but that goes without saying. (PLD)

From a healer perspective, I'll confirm VIT tank's don't really have aggro problems.

However, outside of tank-busters and similar mechanics, VIT doesn't really make it easier on healers imo. We need to provide similar levels of ehp/s regardless of STR or VIT.

Personally for most content, all I really care about is if the tank can hold aggro. If they do and aren't a jerk, they get a commendation from me. If I had to pick though, I'd take the STR tank.
09-12-2015, 07:47 AM
Kerwin

Flash isn't effected by STR winsock, but I do agree WARS do far better with STR. Same with DRK. But we as Paladins don't benifit from HP recovery with aoe attacks based on STR cleaves. We do better having more HP in our pool. Having more STR to block more damage is nice, but it's not as consistent as having more HP overall (on PLD.)
Thr only argument for STR is slightly higher DPS on one single target and more percentage blocked. That's it. When it comes to trash pulls, VIT > STR (on Paladin.)
09-12-2015, 08:08 AM
braneri1

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

Then in this case the PLD who wears Piety accessories would win because he would have more mana.

lol what a stupid comparison. A flash off.... Just wow.

The point of what you quoted either completely went over your head, or you're deliberately making a strawman argument to avoid facing the facts. I'm not sure which is more pathetic.

Flash is absolutely affected by str, yet you wish to stick your head in the sand as regards to an easy method anyone can use to prove it. Block (and parry) damage reduction hasn't been affected by str since HW came out. Might want to actually know what you're talking about before acting like you do and making a fool of yourself.

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