This is the end.

They're assholes, sure, but you're taking them into consideration too much.

Take care of your own DPS first, if they need you to ballad, they'll ask you. As for quitting the game over this, well... i mean it's your call but personally i think that would be a silly response to a couple of asshats you'll never see or speak to again.

S'all right man. If you decide to never want to play FFXIV again, it's all good. You're gonna come across mouthbreathers like that no matter where you are in life or what you do, online or IRL. I personally avoid doing stuff in DF if at all possible, or keep it to a minimum. I can play my job fine, but I still resent the general populous. As a result, I try to avoid doing endgame content in closely observable situations with pugs. Not just because I hate the idea of encountering people like that and interacting with them, but also because it'd likely happen to someone else in the group. In larger chaotic situations like PvP or 24man raids, despite the higher likelihood, I don't mind it as much. I guess it's because I naturally expect it to happen as an almost guarantee, so I simply block out chat, just as I do RMT /tells.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

If the healer felt 'having a little fun' was to not heal, but to DPS instead, then why did they make a healer? Unless somebody asks for something that lets them move out of their primary role - don't presume that is what they desire.

That said this confuses me. I thought Mage's Ballad refreshed MP, not gave healers a DPS boost. It seems like the ONLY time one would want to use it is when somebody is running out of MP, or you're sitting there at the start of the dungeon in the little circle bored while somebody watches a cutscene and you forgot to keybind your dance emote...


Very often the 'toxic' issue comes down to somebody who goofed in game, got called on it, and rather than just move on got aggressive back.
- If they call you on a mistake politely, thank them.
- If they call you on a mistake rudely, ignore them.

Doing either of those will lead to vastly lower chances of a 'toxic' experience. Sure some people will keep at it, but most will just move on with their attention.

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Actually, for the 2nd one, you've already experienced the "toxic" portion lol. Really, it's ONLY the first one.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Whether they were right about the ballad thing or not, it's not really important. Is there ever a reason for people to act that way? I've seen people act like that and be totally wrong about the premise that they were belittling over.

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I think this sums it up. I looked through this thread and I see that a lot of people brought up inefficiency in DPS, but quite honestly, it's just a game. The way we're treating people should always be more important than the mechanics of the game.

There's a way to say things without coming off as rude. I honestly prefer to just not say anything at all if it's not really important. I ran Stone Vigil as MCH with a BRD that wasn't aware that a Promoted Rook Autoturret restored TP, so he kept playing Army's Paeon. Did it lower DPS? Sure. Was it important? Not really. Nobody cared, and the dungeon only took a few seconds longer than is usually would have. He was doing what he thought was best. Funny thing is, he actually stepped backwards into my turret and realized what it did, and I believe he stopped playing songs so frequently afterward.

We all had fun, the dungeon went well, and he learned something new without any strife.

But I've also been on the receiving end of things, where people try to tell me how to play my job. Quite frankly, if they come off as condescending or indignant, then I just ignore them. They typically don't say anything else. And if they really have a problem with the fact that I used Medica II instead of Cure III, they can (and in some cases, do) leave. It's just a dungeon. This isn't T9 Savage or anything, where every little button press can mean life or death.

Keep playing, if you want, and just learn to ignore the people that insult you. But also be wary that the way you word things don't come off as offensive, either. You never know how the person you're talking to might receive what you're saying.

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Originally Posted by Adire

I don't see anything Rice has said that is toxic.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Combine that with above, I can see why some people can get upset with what you're doing (me included). You're giving off the impression that you're free to become a burden to your party. <snip for char limit> I'm fine with people genuinely do not know their class and listen to advice, I'm not fine with people that don't ever communicate and play terribly and essentially get carried.

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unless there is some saving grace that will fix this toxic community from the egotistical ass holes that consume it.

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Says the person that feels they can play how they want regardless of how it affects the party.

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Nowhere, did Boosti say he believes he was trying to screw party in any way, shape or form. Nowhere do I see an attitude of God's gift to FFXIV coming from his post, however, I DO see Riceisnice [and a couple of other folks] jumping to conclusions.

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Originally Posted by T2teddy

Nowhere, did Boosti say he believes he was trying to screw party in any way, shape or form. Nowhere do I see an attitude of God's gift to FFXIV coming from his post, and I DO see Riceisnice [and a couple of other folks] jumping to conclusions.

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Yes, I'm clearly jumping to conclusions when I'm saying that his perspective isn't the only one in a party of 4.

Whether or not he was intentionally slowing down the party, the matter of fact is, he was. What he did say is that he shouldn't be told how to play his class, ineffective or not. And between the two of us, only one of us accused the other to be an asshole. There are things to take in perspective in general (like courtesy and not being a total A-hole when telling people they're doing something wrong), but I'm trying to speak in perspective of the scenario in this topic as well.

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Originally Posted by Boosti

So the other bard in my party is telling me i'm worthless

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Dude you were in a 4 man dungeon and got stuck with TWO bards for dps??? Really...wow

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Originally Posted by Justsomeguy

Well, this community isn't actually that bad (especially when you compare to almost every other MMO on the market) Whenever I get a bad egg in my party I just laugh at their stupidity, I mean...if they're like that here they surely must be a bitter, angry person in real life too.

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The community IS bad. I'm told my DPS is bad, but I'm usually the target of a mob/boss when the main tank die. Then they said it's because I crit a lot. Then they say my numbers SHOULD be higher. It's the reason now why I'm a casual and no longer hardcore. I just do a few dungeons and log off.

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Originally Posted by T2teddy

Nowhere, did Boosti say he believes he was trying to screw party in any way, shape or form. Nowhere do I see an attitude of God's gift to FFXIV coming from his post, and I DO see Riceisnice [and a couple of other folks] jumping to conclusions.

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Not many people who are trying to screw their party over will openly admit it. Boosti did give off the impression that he was not going to stop/didn't stop playing ballad though. Not saying he was trying actively to screw the party over, but he was seemingly refusing to listen to their reasonable request judging by what transpired in his own words.

You can't really say RiceisNice is being toxic just because they're bringing up some inconsistencies in the story, and RiceisNice has already said they may not be understanding the whole thing. Whether that's because of the rest of the party's side being left out, or just bad wording on Boosti's part, who knows. But the disclaimer has been made.

Boosti on the other hand has made some direct personal insults towards RiceisNice when they have already said they may not be understanding the story right, just because they gave gave criticism about Boosti's choice of playing ballad. Criticism that was correct and delivered civilly.

And if Boosti did continue to play ballad despite the party clearly not wanting him to (it's rational to think he did, since why else would the party get mad at him later on again when he hadn't said anything?), despite it affecting the party negatively, then it isn't toxic on Rice's part to call him out for continuing to do it and hurt the party. Refusing to listen to the party's wishes or listen to advice is toxic behavior. They could have been nicer about it, sure, especially if their first reaction was what Boosti claimed, but they were right that he was sacrificing considerable dps by playing ballad when it wasn't needed, and therefore hurting the party. Refusing to stop doing that is toxic, and in a way, intentional. Ignorance of job function may not be, but ignoring the party's reasonable request is intentional.

Also don't see why you think Rice thinks they're "god's gift". They gave valid criticism of the choice to play ballad, asked about/criticized inconsistencies, mentioned the 2nd party's side of the story, and even admitted they may be wrong.

Two or three people ridicule you (be it justly or otherwise) and the entire community is toxic?

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Originally Posted by Boosti

That was it nothing else was said by me. Then all hell broke loose i was told i'm a worthless retard and suck at the game and then was kicked out of the dungeon. Today will be the last time I get on this game, unless there is some saving grace that will fix this toxic community from the egotistical ass holes that consume it. I love Final Fantasy but this happens to much to make me enjoy a game that is no longer fun. If other have had this please let me know your story and how it has effected you.

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Never quit a game because of people you dont know, and you will never see again.

Whenever i meet people like that, i always see them as an act of entertainment, because i find them very laughable and they actually make me feel alot better.