Vote kick option MUST be removed.

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

Even a group is 4 man, but logically it would be 3ppl consider kicking 1ppl,
with that said, it would be a vote within 3ppl decision, as a result, 2ppl doesn't mean the half, it means 2/3 ^^;

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But it should require a majority of the party, not just a majority of the remaining people besides yourself. Consider a 4-man dungeon in which two players want to do a full run and two want to race ahead and skip everything they can. The majority of the party has vote-kick authority, but which side is the "majority" when it's two against two? As it currently stands, it's simply whoever clicks the "Kick" button first who therefore qualifies as a majority even though half the party disagrees with them. You shouldn't be able to act as a majority and kick whoever disagrees with you if you're not in fact in the majority. In a two against two situation, neither side should be able to make unilateral decisions like that.

If you think that removing a kick is a grand idea, then you'll love running leeches, grievers, trolls, and AFK'er thru things, like in Destiny.

Also all that's required to kick someone in a 4 man party is the player who started the vote and one other player, meaning whomever the third wheel is has no say in the matter.

That's not right, and it shouldn't be like that. It's easily abused because of it too.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

This is not a debate.

I am not going to argue. My point is already made.

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So why should anyone care? You believe yourself to be correct, others disagree, if you ignore the others who don't agree with you however you're only going to make it so that no one wants to listen to you in the first place. Perhaps you could make coherent arguments as to why it should be removed, who knows, you only repeat the same rhetoric over and over again whilst failing to be open to opposition. Just some advice, if you want changes to be made then you need to be open to changes in terms of what you think should be done. Remaining stalwart in your position even when facing overwhelming opposition is fine, but ignoring criticism of ideas whilst maintaining a position, is a fool's errand.

All of that said...

I think it's fine as it is. Sometimes, you have 3 people working together just fine, happily doing a dungeon, then you have 1 person who's just being a douche. I've had many a party here someone would just stand around and watch while the other 3 fight a group of mobs just because that 1 person doesn't want to do a full clear. Does it help them? No, its stupid and slows down everyone's run even further but with no benefit what so ever. If I'm able, I want to kick that guy, they're slowing us down, refusing to participate, but are in the party all the same. Saying they'll get kicked is false, they fight every mob you HAVE to fight, but when you go on side paths they just stand and wait. It has happened more than 3 times, and that's the number you present to show you're justified in your request, so mine should be equally as valid, no?

There are also times you get in a party and 1 person, regardless of how well they're doing or how good they are, will start shit with the other members. I am not talking about constructive criticism, I'm not talking about explaining a failure to adhere to mechanics, I am talking about straight up saying everyone sucks and whining about it as the dungeon progresses. I don't think there's a problem with kicking such individuals should the other 3 agree that they want this person removed. I personally don't like people being assholes for the sake of being assholes, and yet some people do just that. Why should I not be able to kick these people? Why should I be forced to deal with their attitude whilst I run a dungeon rather than kick them? If the party agrees they should go, I say they should be able to be kicked.

Now, I'm not unsympathetic to your argument. Upon the expansions release there was a bit of bias against MCH and many complained about being kicked strictly because they were MCHs. This type of situation shows that it can easily be abused for the worst reasons. I admit this and I wish it weren't happening, but honestly there's not a lot you can do. Anything and everything has some way it could be abused, you can abuse tells and shouts to spam people or to promote RMT, should we rid ourselves of those features? No, because the abuse is unavoidable and reporting people is the only way around it that doesn't involve lowering the quality of the game. It's the same situation here, you have to remove something to fix a small abuse problem, but it's not worth it, so we have to simply go on knowing the potential for abuse and reporting those who do abuse it.

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Originally Posted by Daniolaut

This is not a debate.

I am not going to argue. My point is already made.

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Welcome to the FFXIV discussion forums.

If you don't want to hear opposing views and debate your position, start your own blog, disable the comments, and post your large-font rants there instead.

The overwhelming opinion is that the grief vote kick saves us from is worth the occasional abuse of the system we have to endure. Legitimate vote-kick abuse is a reportable offense, although I would say the 7 players in your castrum run have a decent case for claiming they kicked you for harassment.

I think we should keep vote kick so that we can kick people like the OP out of groups. If he acts this way in duty it's no wonder he was vote kicked. If you ran in ahead of me pulling the boss while I was tanking I'd kick you too. The whole "This is not a debate" nonsense, no one cares. Just like we "MUST" end vote kick because random person on the internet says we have to. How about no. As far as I'm concerned vote kick is useful for ejecting people like.... you. I've been playing this game a year and a half and have never been vote kicked once. People aren't kicking you for no reason, maybe you should try and be a little more respectful towards your fellow players and it won't be an issue.

I'm sure you all remember pre-vote kick, when one would enter a castrum run only to see 60%of the players afk in an attempt to leech those precious tomestones of philosophy. Or perhaps the endless parade of trolls that would run in and lock everyone out of the final boss fight until the instance timer ran out. Or maybe even those players who (possibly by no fault of their own) used a less than optimal connection and dced after thirty seconds only to return 5 to 10 minutes later and dc again, determined to finish Amdapor Keep because they had queued for 3 hours.

Yes, the vote kick function is abused. I have been a victim of this myself. However, I have legitimately utilized this function enough in so that the comparably few instances of abuse do not in any way take away from my gratitude for the feature's implementation. The benefits severely outweigh the abuse.

This RED, this BOLD.... waaaah ! quite an abuse too, if you ask me.

I have never seen the Vote Kick option abused. In every event I've ever seen it used personally, it was completely justified.. Players offline/players harassing

I'm not saying that it doesn't get abused, I'm just saying that in my experience (several hundred instances) vote kick has been completely fine. Saying that it MUST be removed is stupid. Then saying it's not a debate, while deciding that you're right and everyone else wrong is also stupid.

With that kind of attitude its not hard to imagine why people would vote kick you... You only list your side of the story but, with the manner in which you present it its not hard to figure out theirs.

I have been kicked once for inefficient heals, we were at the end, and I was healing fine no deaths no nothing. The tank initiated it and the dps blindly agreed. I know because the two dps were from my server and when we met they told me they just did it without thought, they apologized and said they eventually voted abandon because no healers ever made it. It wasn't too bad, the tank just thought I sucked, and it made me upset but I got over it. I befriended the dps and they said my healing was just slow so I worked on it. Yeah it sucked being kicked but hey I wasn't doing my job, so in the end it was my fault. The kick system can backfire but really its not terrible.