Who else likes Wanderer's Minuet?

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Originally Posted by awesomeuno

So, use it for an opener, but otherwise just make use of auto attacks. cool. I wonder what ability is best used with barrage besides empyreal arrow?

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Not much choice other than Heavy Shot.

What are people's thoughts in using WM with other songs (mostly Ballad and Paeon)?

I always play with Minuet, and I frequently steal aggros from tank in dungeon (lvl 60 brd here), and when the boss dies he comes to me directly
I understand ppl love their auto attack, but triple empyrean arrow is 3x1500 dmg if timed correctly with buff, if you don't have buff up you should use it every 15s, you could also wait a little to use it with a buff if one is up in less than 3s
don't forget than barrage become useless without Empyrean arrow. Triple heavy shot is low potency compared to triple empyrean arrow.

And the burst given by triple empyrean arrow is awesome, can remove 50% of a add HP in dungeons.

For me minuet is a benediction, I love big number and I mained BLM before 2.4 so I don't bother the mini casting (1.5s cast is nothing)

I've not played my bard yet, but I leveled up my black mage, then my summoner before my bard, so I'm used to stay still when I play, so I'm sure I'll love it. I generally don't move unless necessary on my bard. In the other hand, I'm sure those who are used to its mobility, who likes moving around while shooting arrows might not.

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Originally Posted by Empty-handed

eh this is discouraging.

if WM is a dps loss. then whats the point of 50-60 job missions :(

im at lvl57 not really sure how i feel about WM after reading this.

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Yep. I've been hearing the same about MCH, that Gauss Barrel results in a dps loss, because the 20% doesn't make up for the loss of auto-attacks and movement interrupts. It's definitely discouraging and just makes me want to go back to ninja.

Yes, many top tier players have run the numbers, and it's a noticeable DPS loss with WM. only real benefit is the burst of EA+barrage, and the longevity of your TP, since you don't have to refresh WB and VB, only use the IJ

Running some numbers in some of the 60 dungeons, I'm noticing a slight loss using WM. I've currently resorted to only using WM in the opener for the Barrage+Emp burst and Sidewinder, then dropping it shortly after. I think that this could be (not one I agree with..) an intended use of WM, rather than just sitting in the stance the enter fight time - for fights that need moments of very high burst.

*As an additional edit to this, the slight loss is when I feel I am executing well, and the rng of mechanics doesn't target me every single time.

It's also worth noting right now that Sidewinder seems to be bugged? Not sure if this has been addressed already, but it says in the tooltip that that it can only be executed under WM, but I have been able to use it outside of WM as well. Maybe it's only referring to the damage scaling?

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Originally Posted by awesomeuno

So, use it for an opener, but otherwise just make use of auto attacks. cool. I wonder what ability is best used with barrage besides empyreal arrow?

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Actually tbh, even without using WM, our overall low dps is even lower now with barrage change with auto attack. I remember i used tio use all 4 buff and pop barrage and massive auto attack damage.

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Originally Posted by Keedah

It's also worth noting right now that Sidewinder seems to be bugged? Not sure if this has been addressed already, but it says in the tooltip that that it can only be executed under WM, but I have been able to use it outside of WM as well. Maybe it's only referring to the damage scaling?

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It's not bugged. Like half the tooltips of the changed or new skills are poorly translated. The japanese tooltip doesn't require WM to be up for Sidewinder to be used.

maybe that is the idea of WM. pull it up when barrage is available, lol. Honestly, if we could use IJ outside of it, that might be the optimal way to use it