Since you are spending resources on events

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Originally Posted by captainpicard

And as I have said before, if you have any understanding of at all of how Corporate Enterprise project management works, then you realize that resources are finite. Period. Projects have a defined scope. Estimated cost, and so forth. That said, every "resource" that is working on these events, is a resource that is not working on fixing the game. So the old "separate team doing x" is just a drain on finite resources that could be doing y.

Let's not derail this thread with SE and Yoshi P fanboyism, can do no wrong, everything is okay, I drank the kool-aid nonsense please.

Its an honest question I pose.

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How would you know what I do for a living? I love how people use the "If you have any understanding of how such & such work," to try and prove that said person is right, and others are wrong. You ask people not to derail your thread, but go as far as saying that everyone that disagrees with you is a SE and Yoshi P fanboyism.

I'm not a fanboy, and what the hell is the point of saying you drank the kool-aid? Are you implying that your hip with netspeak, or are you just trying to emphasize yet again that since you know more then the rest of the world that we should just defer to you on everything?

You post, expect others to post different beliefs or ideas. Don't get bent out of shape if we don't agree with you. I personally think the game graphics are current to the area. I don't mind if they spend time on doing events, I don't do them but many people I know do.

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Originally Posted by captainpicard

You are really hung up on calling me a troll. It seems like all you do is troll me. I don't see you actually bringing anything to the table in way of comments other than "I am a troll"

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I've replied in a legitimate fashion every other time I've reponded to one of your posts, you chose to ignore most of the actually info or opinions in my posts.

So here's another legit response: shutting down the servers to fix everything would only have been a viable alternative prior to actual launch, unless they refunded all of our purchases. However we would not be able to give feedback unless they put the game back into beta which is essentially where we are right now.

They must continue adding content alongside the fixes. Content may not be that important to you but I've seen lack of content topple many MMOs. You may not quit over it but a large number of MMO players will.

I imagine we'll never agree on this point though because as you yourself said, content holds no meaning for you.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

I've replied in a legitimate fashion every other time I've reponded to one of your posts, you chose to ignore most of the actually info or opinions in my posts.

So here's another legit response: shutting down the servers to fix everything would only have been a viable alternative prior to actual launch, unless they refunded all of our purchases. However we would not be able to give feedback unless they put the game back into beta which is essentially where we are right now.

They must continue adding content alongside the fixes. Content may not be that important to you but I've seen lack of content topple many MMOs. You may not quit over it but a large number of MMO players will.

I imagine we'll never agree on this point though because as you yourself said, content holds no meaning for you.

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When your post starts out with comments like "OP is possibly a Troll" yeah I just quit reading.

That said, refunding everyone's money would have restored my faith in as much as they realize that the product they put out is inferior, and not worth the price of admission. I realize they tried to concede with the free to play time and that is admirable, but if the game is not fun, and for many it is not based on my observations of population decline, then essentially those people who do not login and play the for free were robbed.

They could have beta tested it in a closed environment with a small group on a single server, and not dealt with the kind of feedback that is now available on the game.

As far as content and its importance to me, I thought I had been pretty clear on that. An MMO with no content isn't much fun, but an MMO with such major fundamental issues as this one isn't much fun either. I would love to see content that includes Zilart style missions, and so on, AFTER they fix the the core game issues. If the game was in a great place then I wouldn't care at all about events. No one is forcing me to do them. They could have all the events they wanted and I would never say a word. I am just frustrated with the fact that $$$ are being spent to build those vs. those $$$ going to fix core issues.

I understand that a game without fun gameplay isn't fun regardless of content but the same could be said of a game without content. Perfect gameplay with nothing to do is equally poor.

The thing i think you're missing though is that they are fixing the core issues while also adding content. This may mean they are both slower together than if they focused on just one however this approach keeps a larger number of people happy.

As i said earlier, the battle mechanics themselves are in a mostly finished state, aside from class/job balancing and BR changes. That doesn't include server related issues though, as that's an entirely different monster. I've never experienced a WS going off 5 seconds after a creature dies since launch.

Yes the system needs to be optimized and the net code needs to be reworked however that is not the current main priority. However that doesn't mean they don't have people working on it.

They have different teams so that no matter what the biggest focus is, other teams are always improving the other areas of the game.

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I understand that a game without fun gameplay isn't fun regardless of content but the same could be said of a game without content. Perfect gameplay with nothing to do is equally poor.

The thing i think you're missing though is that they are fixing the core issues while also adding content. This may mean they are both slower together than if they focused on just one however this approach keeps a larger number of people happy.

As i said earlier, the battle mechanics themselves are in a mostly finished state, aside from class/job balancing and BR changes. That doesn't include server related issues though, as that's an entirely different monster. I've never experienced a WS going off 5 seconds after a creature dies since launch.

Yes the system needs to be optimized and the net code needs to be reworked however that is not the current main priority. However that doesn't mean they don't have people working on it.

They have different teams so that no matter what the biggest focus is, other teams are always improving the other areas of the game.

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Well if you are correct that the current battle mechanics are basically what we are getting then I guess I need to move on. The battle in the game at the moment is not challenging, doesn't really require a group to communicate, doesn't seem to matter if your gear is good, broken, or otherwise. 5 people lvl 28-31. We were killing Hippocerfs, Goblin Freeswords, and so on. The hippos average level range was 36, and the Goblins was 40-44. These mobs were dying in less than 15 seconds. Fighting anything greater than 10 levels above currently adds no benefit so there is no incentive to do so, thus what you are left with is a really quick, really uninteresting group party experience.

This is pretty disappointing if you are correct in that this is the future of battle in the game.

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Well if you are correct that the current battle mechanics are basically what we are getting then I guess I need to move on. The battle in the game at the moment is not challenging, doesn't really require a group to communicate, doesn't seem to matter if your gear is good, broken, or otherwise. 5 people lvl 28-31. We were killing Hippocerfs, Goblin Freeswords, and so on. The hippos average level range was 36, and the Goblins was 40-44. These mobs were dying in less than 15 seconds. Fighting anything greater than 10 levels above currently adds no benefit so there is no incentive to do so, thus what you are left with is a really quick, really uninteresting group party experience.

This is pretty disappointing if you are correct in that this is the future of battle in the game.

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That has more to do with the difficulty of content and gear adjustments. Broken gear should matter more, yes. Content should be more challenging, yes. Honestly pre-1.18 the game was even easier and required even less skill. They're slowly bringing it up to speed on where it should be. That has little to do with the actual mechanics of battle. The actual mechanics of battle being auto-attack, skill usage, spellcasting, ect... They've introduced the actual need for MP and enmity management in most of the end-game fights.

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Perhaps we just perceive value differently. The type of quests that have been added are not now and never will be important to me. Raiding is not now, and never has been important to me. Events are obviously not important to me. Now being able to buy and sell goods quickly and easily IS important to me. Being able to administer a guild properly is important to me.

Being able to have a battle with a group, that does not involve my weapon skills going off 5 seconds after the mob died is important to me.

So in short, none of what you mentioned has helped keep me interested in this game.

The only thing they have done up to now that has brought back any interest is making it possible to have a group sp party again that is actually beneficial to the players participating. Unfortunately since battle is so easy right now, that is not fun for very long, as no real strategy is required, and gear doesn't seem to matter etc.

In your comments its about you. In mine its about me.

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Now if just would have made your original post like this then people would have seen where you are going. But you just made a thread about resources being wasted on events which you think are worthless.

Everything you mentioned that you would have liked to be added are important to me. But I understand the work behind it. It takes and will take time. I hate waiting for them but at least I'm not waiting empty-handed. You might think you are but I don't.

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How would you know what I do for a living? I love how people use the "If you have any understanding of how such & such work," to try and prove that said person is right, and others are wrong. You ask people not to derail your thread, but go as far as saying that everyone that disagrees with you is a SE and Yoshi P fanboyism.

I'm not a fanboy, and what the hell is the point of saying you drank the kool-aid? Are you implying that your hip with netspeak, or are you just trying to emphasize yet again that since you know more then the rest of the world that we should just defer to you on everything?

You post, expect others to post different beliefs or ideas. Don't get bent out of shape if we don't agree with you. I personally think the game graphics are current to the area. I don't mind if they spend time on doing events, I don't do them but many people I know do.

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I don't know what you do for a living. So what do you do? Are you an EPM?

The kool-aid comment is a reference to Jim Jones. Look him up on the Wikipedia. It has nothing to do with hip netspeak.

I am not bent out of shape at your disagreement, just trying to avoid the "SE can do no wrong" response that is so common here because the game speaks for itself. They did wrong. If they didn't, this sucker wouldn't still be free.

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Yes, I think that modernizing and optimizing the graphics engine is a core issue.
I also think that fixing the absurd lag in the game is a core issue.
I also think that not being able to kick someone from a LS unless they are standing next to you is a core issue.
I also think that not being able to change party leader if someone is out of range is a core issue.

I could rattle on about what I think are the core issues, but the end result would just be a obvious troll is troll comment from 100 other trolls.

The point is you cannot roof a house, without first building the foundation, the walls, and so on.

What it seems to me is happening here is we are getting a roof, without fixing the sinking foundation.

Its the LITTLE things that drive people crazy. A summer event is a distraction. It doesn't resolve the overall frustration derived from smaller things like just trying to use the interface, or use the market wards, or use the ls.

My point of this thread was - IF you are going to continue wasting time on things that aren't solving the REAL issues, the ones that cause people to rage quit, then would you please fix the graphics =)

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Actually, if you're going to use the house metaphor it's more like...

We've got this house we've been living in for a year now. We bought it knowing there was a crack in the foundation but figured that we were able to by for less than asking price so we did. It's a bit run down but it's nothing that can't be fixed. We definitely should get on that foundation soon before an earthquake hits but I'm not going to tear down my wallpaper, paintings, family photos and framework so I can fix the crack in the foundation. Not to mention we've already called the masons and they say that can't fix it until better weather conditions arrive. My interior decorator has already done so much with the rest of the house and it's still livable. I don't need to stay with my mother-in-law who lives two and a half hours away from my work just to wait on the masons.

I'm definitely not going to assume that the crack in my driveway (shadow effects) actually is a threat to the structural integrity of my home.

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Actually, if you're going to use the house metaphor it's more like...

We've got this house we've been living in for a year now. We bought it knowing there was a crack in the foundation but figured that we were able to by for less than asking price so we did. It's a bit run down but it's nothing that can't be fixed. We definitely should get on that foundation soon before an earthquake hits but I'm not going to tear down my wallpaper, paintings, family photos and framework so I can fix the crack in the foundation. Not to mention we've already called the masons and they say that can't fix it until better weather conditions arrive. My interior decorator has already done so much with the rest of the house and it's still livable. I don't need to stay with my mother-in-law who lives two and a half hours away from my work just to wait on the masons.

I'm definitely not going to assume that the crack in my driveway (shadow effects) actually is a threat to the structural integrity of my home.

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This is funny. I have no response other than, it made me laugh out loud.