How am I meant to level with a friend now?

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Originally Posted by Dubont

By "fun" you mean "easy" with the release of Abyssea...and that was still...what..8 years after the game's release? Your point is invalid. Also, at least acknowledge my rebuttal to your statement about FFXIV being a longer grind than the GOOD FFXI..

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I disagree with your assertion that grindy boring XI was "good XI."

Guess what, it is not 2002 anymore. People play games to have fun.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

By "fun" you mean "easy" with the release of Abyssea...and that was still...what..8 years after the game's release? Your point is invalid. Also, at least acknowledge my rebuttal to your statement about FFXIV being a longer grind than the GOOD FFXI..

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How is his point invalid? FFXI was losing players left and right after WoW came out. Also, FFXI became casual-friendly a few years before Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Warp

How is his point invalid? FFXI was losing players left and right after WoW came out. Also, FFXI became casual-friendly a few years before Abyssea.

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FFXI had about 200k subscriptions in 2003
WoW released 2004
FFXI had 200k-300k subscriptions in 2006
FFXI had 500k subscriptions in 2008
Abyssea came out in 2010
FFXI had 250k subscriptions in mid 2010

Sure does look like they lost players left and right after WoW.

Also, I don't give two craps whether you think XI is hard or not, just to be clear. Fun is what matters. If you find grinding hundreds of puks (or whatever) to go from level 33-34 "hard" ... um okay. Fun? Really?

I find taking on NMs solo in abyssea to be fun. But people here think it is "easy" and that NMs should be party only content. (Witness the biggest complaint about THMs was that they could solo nms. Really? Give me a break) That's nuts. I don't find it fun to mindlessly grind.

Soloing the dark lord? Man that is FUN.

time sinks do not equal difficulty
endlessly grinding is not fun

You are free to disagree, but most paying mmo players are on my side.

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Originally Posted by LuxLex

You are free to disagree, but most paying mmo players are on my side.

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Really WoW players can solo everything?

I wasn't aware that millions of players did Raid content solo...

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Originally Posted by LuxLex

time sinks do not equal difficulty
endlessly grinding is not fun

You are free to disagree, but most paying mmo players are on my side.

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But WoW is the most subscribed to MMO ever and it is all grind until you reach end-game content .=.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Sarcasm is a natural reaction to something that seem extremely dumb, and a lot of people complaining here give out exactly that expression.

You don't really need exp chains to have basically the same minigame. Give yourself a time limit, ans see how many monsters you can kill between that limit, or how much sp you can gain. Pretty much the same speed game.

Mind you, if they'll implement it, great, but mostly because it encourages grouping and fast efficent killing than because it adds any real fun.

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You're a very sad and grumpy person

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Really WoW players can solo everything?

I wasn't aware that millions of players did Raid content solo...

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you can't solo everything in abyssea. Well you can solo anything with a brew, but you run out of cruor pretty fast doing that, and get no procs so it would be pretty pointless.

And, there is ton of content outside of abyssea that is not soloable either. You aren't even allowed to enter nyzul solo for example.

So your point is?

Cause my point is, XI gives me lots to do lowman and solo... things that are rewarding - unlike getting 80 of the 45,000 SP I need to level. That is not rewarding. It is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by LuxLex

yeah, because the devs decided to make the game more fun when they saw people leaving the game in droves.

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Riiiiiight.... you are talking out of your ass.. lol

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Originally Posted by Warp

How is his point invalid? FFXI was losing players left and right after WoW came out. Also, FFXI became casual-friendly a few years before Abyssea.

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his point is invalid because he is a troll that knows absolutely nothing about what he speaks of. The same goes for you, honestly.