Please change "marriage" name for "Menphina's Pledge"

As I am not trying to beat a dead horse here, I think we can still be constructive on the matter. This thread has 2 major goals, one of them being a bit naive (but still exists) :

1) bring some sense in the whole union feature announced, as it really should focus a lot on the lore of Eorzea. That's why I chose the name "Menphina's Pledge" (please notice that I'm far from adamant on the name, it's just a fitting name I came with). With all the possibilities that SE could have, it would be disappointing to have a plain "marriage" without a deep story behind it, traditions, and relation to the cult of the Twelve.

2) (naive one) Put an end on the flame war on every debate on "marriage", as this thread isn't talking about who should or should not be united as one couple, but about how it could take place. This thread is primarily here to discuss about the details of the feature than about the feature itself. Which is what I explained here :

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I do not ask for gay marriage here. I'm asking for a lore-related, Eorzean bond between those who are in love.

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I do hope it will lead us to a great lore on the union feature, and that this feature will lead the community on a great path to socialization :)

OP, that was a beautiful and well thought out post. I support it. Menphina's Pledge sounds like a really nice solution and really does sound like something that would be more lore appropriate!

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Originally Posted by FireHero

One of the main reason SSM currently isn't coming is they do not want to upset people.

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Then their research is poor. Even in Japan, the support rate for SSM is 70% for people in their 20s and 30s (the main age range of FFXIV). Past games have shown that if you exclude it, it upsets people. If you include it, its a non issue.

I do like the idea of a different name for it, but not for the reason of pacifying the minority of players that are offended by SSM. Its a great idea for lore/immersion purposes to make a unique Eorzean union.

"marriage" & "love" is just so odd in an online game. I could understand if you happen to game with your significant other, but to Game Marry avatars... /smh.

The name change suggestion is a step in the right direction... I like the Oath Brother/Sister suggestion MUCH better.

Whatever the form, it should not discriminate based on an AVATAR'S sex.

I'm somewhat curious what the Japanese, French etc forums think about the marriage system... not that it would change my opinion though.

strange how in FFXI there was marriage and I never seen as much drama circling around it as I do in this game. Other online games have marriage as well, did they also have this much controversy?

I'll keep this short and simple:

I don't think a new word for it is necessary.

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Originally Posted by peaches

No, it is their childlike features. They may not be children lore wise, but they definitely look like 4 year olds in real life. They most certainly do not have the features of human adults, or even of midgets/dwarfs. I'm fine with them as a race, but for anyone to be sexually attracted to one (and you can't say nobody is, there are a ton of people who are about every race in game) is downright creepy. I don't care if they're adults in lore but anyone attracted to a 4 year old's features should be put on some kind of watch list.

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Let be fair, Lalafell do not have features of human children.

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Originally Posted by kidvideo

"marriage" & "love" is just so odd in an online game. I could understand if you happen to game with your significant other, but to Game Marry avatars... /smh.

The name change suggestion is a step in the right direction... I like the Oath Brother/Sister suggestion MUCH better.

Whatever the form, it should not discriminate based on an AVATAR'S sex.

I'm somewhat curious what the Japanese, French etc forums think about the marriage system... not that it would change my opinion though.

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As odd as it seems, pixel "love" (often RP'ed, sometimes not) would still be better for the community than the Oath Brother/Sister for the reasons I explained at comm #34 (after the ranma joke). My point of view is based on the impression that the community deeply lacks incentives to socialize more than a few close friends though, and I may be wrong on this. In fact I wish I were wrong. Yet, with this as a base, "love" would add a lot of incentives to meet people and socialize.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I'll keep this short and simple:

I don't think a new word for it is necessary.

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To be perfectly fair and honest, it is indeed not *needed* (technically speaking). The world won't end if it's called "marriage" in the end. However, don't you think it would be a miss if we don't take advantage of our world's lore for new features that are coming ?

I do appreciate the feedback though. :)

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Originally Posted by kidvideo

"marriage" & "love" is just so odd in an online game. I could understand if you happen to game with your significant other, but to Game Marry avatars... /smh.

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I think the whole idea of game "marriage" is just fine. What's funny, though, is you know the majority of guys will be marrying gals - played by guys. That's just a bit creepy.

I will say I don't think anyone would quit the game just because of same-sex marriage being implemented.