A party member has withdrawn...

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Originally Posted by flamds1

only way to solve the problem is to remove the option to simultaneously queue for inprogress and new start instances

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And then no one would queue to make new runs so there are runs to join 'in progress' if a slot opens. Its a huge catch 22.

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Originally Posted by necrosis

And then no one would queue to make new runs so there are runs to join 'in progress' if a slot opens. Its a huge catch 22.

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Really? so everyone who shows up in a new party is queueing for in progress?

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Originally Posted by flamds1

Nonsensical rebuttal just as I expected and you just completely invalidated you arguement previously.


only way to solve the problem is to remove the option to simultaneously queue for inprogress and new start instances. It would eliminate the df spamming entirely for new parties and people who want spam in progress can do so to their hearts content without interrupting groups trying to start since people spamming for inprogress have no intention of joining a new start.

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That would work too, that way, people who wanna join a duty already started would have to eat hours ques because a whole bunch of ppl are gonna try to also leech that easy win, while people who doesn't care will get their group formed, though, it will take longer since the choice to join already started might be more obvious to some others that couldnt bother to be annoying and spam the queue button in search for a group already in progress.


However, what arguement is that which I completely invalidated?

edit: *I see I made a typo so I'll correct that as well on the previous post (I hope that was not it, since obviously it's a typoe because otherwise it would make no sense, and you would be a complete moron for falling for it)*

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Originally Posted by flamds1

Really? so everyone who shows up in a new party is queuing for in progress?

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And if you could just join 'in progress' matches and not be classified as an ass would you do it? I am sure most would. Most don't want to waste time killing mobs they don't get stuff from. But they don't constantly withdraw because they have enough decency in them not to do it. Remove the 'I will look like a dick if i do it' and more people will do it.

Look what SE had to do to get people to 'help' with level ~15 dungeons because no one wanted to do them anymore because they were all 50. Give people the option to not do something and take an easier path and they will.

Besides the last thing this game needs is more ways to segregate people.

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Originally Posted by flamds1

Put that person into the equation and they're taking up a spot from somebody who would start arguement works both ways. Justify away.... Oh look it's a healer trying to jusitfy it one of the most frequent guilty parties...

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Except that just as I said, the fact that person can keep queueing and getting an instance pop that affects you means there is no one else looking to fill that spot. That is exactly what it means. If that person did not queue (since they very clearly do not want to do the whole instance), you would still be waiting. Period.

If you get one "Withdrawn" from duty and the next pop goes through, then yes, someone else was in queue. If you get 10 Withdrawn from Duty and then nothing, it means it was the same person and that they were the ONLY person who wanted to fill that role.

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Originally Posted by am0n

Except that just as I said, the fact that person can keep queueing and getting an instance pop that affects you means there is no one else looking to fill that spot. That is exactly what it means. If that person did not queue (since they very clearly do not want to do the whole instance), you would still be waiting. Period.

If you get one "Withdrawn" from duty and the next pop goes through, then yes, someone else was in queue. If you get 10 Withdrawn from Duty and then nothing, it means it was the same person and that they were the ONLY person who wanted to fill that role.

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Assuming they can manage queues properly, yes. But I believe that has been proven wrong with well, the log in queues we've had... since... forever (until now that they apparently removed them).

Regardless, the problem that persist are the idiots that keep requeueing only to reject it because it's not in progress, contineuously. Too many people are doing it.

So to solve this we force people to play something they dont want to?

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Originally Posted by NeruMew

Regardless, the problem that persist are the idiots that keep requeueing only to reject it because it's not in progress, contineuously. Too many people are doing it.

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And I don't disagree. As I said above, what they do is pretty asinine.

My argument was with the fact that these people make your queues longer. Which they don't. They just make them more annoying (which may feel longer).

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Originally Posted by Kinseykinz

No. Just No.
If you select 'Join Party in Progress'... it because you want to HELP...not because you are impatient or greedy.

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Originally Posted by ufufu

Meh. Sorry, I really just want my King Behemoth drop.

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Right...you are therefore both impatient AND greedy...

Not what 'join in progress' was designed for.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

So to solve this we force people to play something they dont want to?

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Yes that is called farming and in every mmo. You force players to run content over and over to get the loot they want.