new players screwed?

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Originally Posted by Sunarie

This game, or rather the community of this game, does make that a little hard. I tend to see hatred spewed a lot of the time whenever someone mentions they're new to a dungeon while pugging. Add to this that duty finder doesn't often pair you with people on your server, and that for the lower end stuff (if you play during non-peak hours especially) often doesn't net groups via shout remotely quickly... and that people in FATE groups rarely talk (I've tried talking to them a few times).. it can be pretty hard to make friends. Finding an FC sometimes isn't hard if you look in the right places, forums being one.. but not everyone comes to the forums, I would wager a large amount of the population skips them entirely.

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I Agree with a lot of what you are getting at so here's my proposal then, We just need a more fine tuned way to search for Free companies a built-in UI search for them, Then you could find your own based on what you are looking for elitist,casual,social,low level, high level, crafting, whatever. That does not seem out of the way of possibility.

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Haukke manor, this was day 3 of trying to do the story. The previous 2 days I waited about 1.5 hours each before giving up.

Yup waited for copper mines for over 3 hours, nada <.<

that apply to most mmorpg, the early dungeon of the game ALWAYS die. If a player join the game late, the new player will always be able to find new friends, new FC and new LS if he shout or looking for shout in main city or on the field,or pray that you ll get in.

I know there are plenty of high lvl tank & healer queue on low lvl dungeon to help ppl sometime but not all the time.

In regards to Haukke Manor, even as a tank with my girlfriend playing healer already in party for DF to fill the DPS slots - we ended up having to put off that storyline dungeon until the next weekend's prime-time. But yeah, during the week - it just wasn't happening.

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Originally Posted by DenzelTaru

looks like we found a fate grinder :P

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Since when is that a bad thing?

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Originally Posted by gelectrode

So my friend wants to play ffxiv, great. he gets the game and is now level 20 and is trying to do probably pirates. So he is in Q for 4 hours and cant get a group. Then it hits me, i cant run him though by my self and there is no reason for anyone pass this quest to ever run it again since fate spamming is so much better. No one is making more chars other then there 1 because there is almost no need.

So what now, my friend is ok because i can hook him up with 2 more people to help but how does a brand new player with no friends on a server do anything with this game at this point?

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It's an mmorpg, make some friends. Not all of us play to increase the size of our e-peen and reach lv50.\

EDIT: Duty Finder is/will ruin mmorpg gaming. It negates the need for human interaction. Stop expecting everything on a silver platter and go talk to people. Make some friends.

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Originally Posted by MdT

Haukke manor, this was day 3 of trying to do the story. The previous 2 days I waited about 1.5 hours each before giving up.

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Might be because you're playing on a legacy server. Your folks were mostly endgame-ready when ARR hit, and according to a friend legacy characters can't even do the new story?

I dont know... when I level other classes/jobs I do Dungeons a lot. Even though Fate might be the most efficient way, I dont care. I do some Fates, some Guildhests, some Leves and Dungeons and some left-over side-quests. Longterm motivation and sanity needs diversity.

Most people in my FC do lower level dungeons for alternative classes, too. Not everybody is a "Fate-Zombie"

So I do use the DF a lot for lower dungeons and the queues as Healer are almost instant, as DD maybe 20-40 minutes. So there are still a lot of people who do low level dungeons and enjoy them.

The best way to progress for any player, new or old, is to find a good LS or FC that supports their members progression. I don't understand why people spend so much time queueing for DF groups (which may not even complete the content) when they could just ask 3-7 LS people (or even shout) to do the content with them. LS and FC groups are especially useful when you're doing the content for the first time because they can teach you the content (and won't even try to make you skip cutscenes). All server forums have LS and FC recruitment threads so finding one shouldn't be difficult either.