Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

Once you figure out the rotation you want to use, DRG IS an easy class. Probably the easiest DPS of all.

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It's an easy job to play efficiently. It's not an easy job to play optimally. If Dragoon was truely a cookie-cutter job, every Dragoon would be plowing through the DPS charts. Sadly that isn't the case...

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Originally Posted by Jollyy5

I'm not sure if IR affects DoT crits, and if it does, has it been confirmed that I need to use IR before Phelb in order for it to affect the DoT damage?

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It does, and it has.

Due to the nature of skill speed (thanks, Selene), the tendency is for GCDs to outpace the oGCDs, so in a strict dummy rotation, back-loading the DoTs encourages both buffs to stay ahead of them in a long fight. I have many weeks of T8 logs where Chaos Thrust and Phlebotomize appear to have the +5% and +3.33% overall crit rate you'd expect from doing this.

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Originally Posted by Jollyy5

I also don't understand how you fancy people can afford all those X-potions, including them in your rotations like that makes it seem like you use them every rotation...

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You can use cheaper potions when the situation doesn't call for the best, most expensive one available. They are always getting dumped on my server's MB for less than the 108 gil it'd take to buy a Potion of Strength from an NPC. Poison pots, well, those are a bit expensive for what they do; I stop using them once Coil stops being a fight to the finish every week.

For FCoB progression, I stocked up on ingredients well before the patch hit and made 'em myself. It was time consuming, but a significant discount. Then I made a really big batch for a weekend-long T13 push but we cleared it in a couple hours on a Friday ┐(´-｀)┌

It was still less gil overall than the VIT-melded accessories.

Why SE in all their wisdom made STR Mega/X-potions use Shark Oil when it's the appropriate potion for half the raid and the others use easy gathers like Dart Frogs is not for we mortals to comprehend.

Oh man yea I remember vit melded accessories, because mechanics would just one shot you.

Also, good for inflating your seeming ilvl =DDDD

(The only stats I optimize for are the ones that let me be a jerk)

I did level alchemist to 50 so I could make my own potions, but shark oils is indeed darn expensive.


Edit: My DPS seems to be around 560 on a dummy without food, group buff or any potions... Is it anywhere near where it should be?

If you check what I'm wearing, you'll probably notice my equipment isn't very optimized.

I use poison pots all the time, they're pretty cheap on Cerberus. Got 300 or so for a couple hundred k. For me it's less about the DPS increase and more about having one more oGCD to pop so I don't get bored... :p

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Originally Posted by Jollyy5

I did level alchemist to 50 so I could make my own potions, but shark oils is indeed darn expensive.


Edit: My DPS seems to be around 560 on a dummy without food, group buff or any potions... Is it anywhere near where it should be?

If you check what I'm wearing, you'll probably notice my equipment isn't very optimized.

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Checking your gear it says:

652 STR
501 CHR
326 DET
404 SS

Definitely pretty far from optimized but it's okay enough. I would think you'd be pretty close to 580-590 with party, food, and pot so it seems fine to me.

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Originally Posted by Jollyy5

My DPS seems to be around 560 on a dummy without food, group buff or any potions... Is it anywhere near where it should be?

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That's fine. I'm BiS (finally) and I do pretty much spot on 600 without food, party or potions.

I haven't been bothering with BiS gear since I'm just trying to power through FCoB before HW, which I'm not having a very good luck with.

I know T13 like the back of my hand after a week of trying to PF it, but I'm yet to find a group that can finish the job, I suppose all the decent players are already done with it.

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Originally Posted by Jollyy5

I'm haven't been bothering with BiS gear since I'm just trying to power through FCoB before HW, which I'm not having a very good luck with.

I know T13 like the back of my hand after a week of trying to PF it, but I'm yet to find a group that can finish the job, I suppose all the decent players are already done with it.

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My experience as well. My static lost two members about a month ago (WAR and SCH), and finding replacements has proven more or less impossible.

has anyone done the math on if its favorable to clip chaos thrust to refresh it with bfb? for example with 9 bfb rotation

ht->id>dis>(late bfb)>ct>phleb>ttt>ht>id>dis>ct (clips at 11s~)>bfb wears off

this wouldnt be good i think for the very first CT because you also have an xpot for that CT that won't be there on the reapplication, but later on when the rotation lines up 9gcd bfb starting with CT, i think it'd be a dps improvement to clip CT at 12s~ with another CT before bfb wears off. you get a +30% dmg buffed CT to last for 18s+30s, 48s total, which seems like it'd be better than using TTT combo, which is 60~ potency higher, but having an additional 18s of CT being buffed by BFB seems like its better on paper. im probably missing something though