VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

Also chest hair as an option pls!

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Beauty standards in Japan likely will make this impossible :(

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Oh that was ages ago, idek what I put on google xD But it was a piece modded onto the Uraeus Coat.

Edit: Found it:
https://i.imgur.com/zRTa30U.png

I really wish we had more stuff like these, especially from Hingashi.

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I wanna see the guy on the Right as a Handsome Hrothgar.
Call me weird, but this IS a Hrothgar & Viera Thread.

But also, the game could use more Sexy men outfits and looks.
Girls cant always have it good, its not fair.
Would also sell more ALTs.

I'd rather have more masculine hair options then more people parading around ERPing.

But not to derail the unfished races post. SE should be ashamed as long as it takes. I've heard every argument in the book as to why they did it. I think it’s scummy, and something up the ally of an EA or a Blizzard. It's just sad really. Until they're brought up to the standards of all the other races I'll still continue to call out how scummy it is.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

I wanna see the guy on the Right as a Handsome Hrothgar.
Call me weird, but this IS a Hrothgar & Viera Thread.

But also, the game could use more Sexy men outfits and looks.
Girls cant always have it good, its not fair.
Would also sell more ALTs.

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nono, it's not weird at all. And there IS a Hrothgar\Roe version for that piece.

https://i.imgur.com/CLfz9yR.png

But honestly, I just really want to move on from this XD I just wanted to poke fun at the Legacy Tatoo being covered on Hrothgar.

Because as much as I post these things
a) The thread's not about modding, nor do I want to endorse it on the OF's of all places. I just wanted to illustrate the fact that some mods appear as the real deal without context on Google Images...
b) Not only the above, but also the fact that technically these are displaying certain bits of the male body that... you know... Square Enix culturally would not be okay with (just read up on the Lalafell Portrait thread going on...), I'm REALLY not comfortable posting these images any further than just the context in which I posted them in.

Because I don't want people feeling randomly uncomfortable with these images being explicit in any way.
I don't have to be the one feeling like they're explicit for me to get slapped for these posts ^^;

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

I'd rather have more masculine hair options then more people parading around ERPing.

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Kind of bothers me that anybody showing a little skin and looking attractive is ERP.
Like, thats just not how that works or what the word even means.

And...I dont agree at all that its scummy...just that it sucks.
As neat as the Male Viera are.....if they just stuck with Hrothgar 100%, and I guess if Covid didnt happen, maybe things would be better for the Hrothgar.
I dont want to discount Viera, because it is pretty neat they are in the game...but of course Im more bias towards the Hrothgar since we never had a TRUE beastrace/Non-human or Humanoid option till now.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

nono, it's not weird at all. And there IS a Hrothgar\Roe version for that piece.

https://i.imgur.com/CLfz9yR.png

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Take away that SB Headband for those ears, and HUBBA~
Its here, so Im gonna Unapologetically embarrass myself and Drool. But also note this would be a handsome look on ALL Males

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Fukuro, if we do get such outfits for males, then please, take some screenshots for research purposes, thank you.

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Another great event by SE where 2 races can't use the glam that's the reward.
I'm still waiting for the parity in headgear they promised back at the start of Endwalker. Since they still continue to release new rewards that certain races just cannot use.
Raid Gear, Alliance Raid Gear, Even Gear, Job Gear, Dungeon Gear, Mogstation Items. You'd think with these races being almost 4 years old, about a 3rd of the game's lifespan, they'd at some point start making things they can use.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

I'm still waiting for the parity in headgear they promised back at the start of Endwalker.

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I don't remember any promise, honestly.
Not even defending them, it's just that they rarely even talk about headgear issues in the first place.

Wait, we can't even use the glam again?
What the hell square. Like what is actually wrong with you.

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Originally Posted by Denji

Wait, we can't even use the glam again?
What the hell square. Like what is actually wrong with you.

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yeah same as previous events, the hat is invisible again

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

yeah same as previous events, the hat is invisible again

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This is so utterly infuriating. Genderlocked and unavailable to two races.
Asinine.

It is starting to look like an annoying joke.

Because let's assume they one day bring everyone up to par. Every hairstyle fits, every headgear is adjusted. Will we still keep having crap like this where they do an event for everyone but us?

Considering how they're ungenderlocking stuff yet still making genderlocked items every patch, that propsect doesn't look favourable.

It is truly astounding to me that these races have been out for nearly four years and *new* items are still coming out that are incompatible with them!

It's also crazy that they release items like these gender locked when they're inevitably just going to remove the gender locked later on. I get that these things take time and effort to do, but like... you're not a small indie developer, just do it right and stop halfassing it.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

It is starting to look like an annoying joke.

Because let's assume they one day bring everyone up to par. Every hairstyle fits, every headgear is adjusted. Will we still keep having crap like this where they do an event for everyone but us?

Considering how they're ungenderlocking stuff yet still making genderlocked items every patch, that propsect doesn't look favourable.

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The frustrating part I've seen with this is an excuse that's been floated around is that they can't make headgear or hair work on these races without reworking the models, but they KEEP making new models that are incompatible and adding to the load of things that would need to be redone to work with hte races, instead of doing some work now and not having such a heavy backlog of work when they eventually decide to fix these races. It doesn't give me a lot of hope for the future or the graphics update in 7.0 for these races. At this point SE should just give everyone with a viera or hroth character a free fantasia and name change and let them get off this ride and onto a race with full features.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

It is starting to look like an annoying joke.

Because let's assume they one day bring everyone up to par. Every hairstyle fits, every headgear is adjusted. Will we still keep having crap like this where they do an event for everyone but us?

Considering how they're ungenderlocking stuff yet still making genderlocked items every patch, that propsect doesn't look favourable.

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Honestly have no idea at this point.

It's possible that they actually prepare these items super far in advance while they're making the entire expansion and then just slowly release them over the course of 2-3 years. That's really the only justification I can imagine and even that's a stretch.

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Originally Posted by Denji

Honestly have no idea at this point.

It's possible that they actually prepare these items super far in advance while they're making the entire expansion and then just slowly release them over the course of 2-3 years. That's really the only justification I can imagine and even that's a stretch.

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The male outfit from this event is slightly altered repaint of existing outfit. Dunno about female, but also possible. As are a lot of outfits in general slight alterations of other, lesser known/used/old outfits. So yeah, for this specific case, I 100% believe there was just minimal resources put into new outfits, which is why they came out genderlocked. Assuming the hat is based off of some other existing hat, I 100% see them just repainting it/slapping accessory on top of it and calling it a day without really adding viera/hrothgar fitting version.

I hope that with the graphical update coming in 7.0 that they would make it possible for Hrothgar and Viera to be able to wear hats.
I think their priority with this races at the moment are hairstyles. Still, this doesn't excuse the fact that they could have done a different style of hat or a brand new one for this event, one that could have been equipped by all races.
The gender lock I think might be a time issue on their part, since in the files all male models, with the exception of Hrothgar and Roegadin, can equip the female outfit. And to my knowledge, all female models can equip the male one. So the gender lock might be a fairness issue + time restraints, as to not have all races but Hrothgar and male Roe be able to equip the outfit.

Yeah I think that unfortunately the glams are prepared well in advance, so this could explain that.
But nevertheless… those races are four years old ! It's really time they do something for them concerning the hat issue !

I played Viera for months and since I don't wear hats on every glams I do, it's always nice to have the same choice as anyone else. We still all pay the same sub price...

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

The male outfit from this event is slightly altered repaint of existing outfit.

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Which outfit are you thinking of?

Similar style isn't necessarily the same thing as starting from the same model, and in any case I don't think there is an existing outfit with that particular style.

They used to just outright recycle battle gear models, but I don't think that has been the case lately.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

The male outfit from this event is slightly altered repaint of existing outfit. Dunno about female, but also possible. As are a lot of outfits in general slight alterations of other, lesser known/used/old outfits. So yeah, for this specific case, I 100% believe there was just minimal resources put into new outfits, which is why they came out genderlocked. Assuming the hat is based off of some other existing hat, I 100% see them just repainting it/slapping accessory on top of it and calling it a day without really adding viera/hrothgar fitting version.

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Is it? Which outfit?

I'd like to see these hairstyles on viera

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen.../vieracat2.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...2/vieracat.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...6/yshviera.jpg

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

I'd like to see these hairstyles on viera

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen.../vieracat2.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...2/vieracat.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...6/yshviera.jpg

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I think 3 of those are miqote only. The yshtola one I would really love though. And also the minfilia one. All the paid ones should just be available for everyone.

Y'know, I fantasia'd back to Viera a week ago and still haven't actually looked at the unlocked hair styles. I might have to pay Jandelain a visit later.

I suppose this doesn't really fit this thread, but does anyone that plays multiple characters/races with any regularity know if this is a thing for everyone when using the umbrella? I'm only ever actually under the umbrella in the basic pose.

https://i.imgur.com/vaNOzPw.jpg

I guess maybe this has something to do with the adjustable ear length, but I feel like even with the longest ears there should still be space to actually stand under the umbrella if it was angled properly. :)

i can see the event hats not being visible on viera/hrothgar but honestly i never wore very many hats to begin with. like the only one i really miss is the tank helmet from ridorana lighthouse and the balthier hat from orbonne monastery. i am disappointed however in that they make more and more helmets/hats into hairclips/circlets. sure, some circlets are alright but it gets boring. and even if i can't actually wear them, i can still appreciate the aesthetic

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I think 3 of those are miqote only. The yshtola one I would really love though. And also the minfilia one. All the paid ones should just be available for everyone.

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Some races share certain hairstyles, the first female lalafells have it if I am not mistaken... although I can see Vieras looking good with that!

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I suppose this doesn't really fit this thread, but does anyone that plays multiple characters/races with any regularity know if this is a thing for everyone when using the umbrella? I'm only ever actually under the umbrella in the basic pose.

https://i.imgur.com/vaNOzPw.jpg

I guess maybe this has something to do with the adjustable ear length, but I feel like even with the longest ears there should still be space to actually stand under the umbrella if it was angled properly. :)

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Not at all from what I know. Maybe the ears hitbox is bigger and messes with the umbrellas?

Here is my Hrothgar with an umbrella in a somewhat similar pose for reference:

https://i.imgur.com/bU35kwh.png https://i.imgur.com/bT9yFaB.png

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I suppose this doesn't really fit this thread, but does anyone that plays multiple characters/races with any regularity know if this is a thing for everyone when using the umbrella? I'm only ever actually under the umbrella in the basic pose.

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It's like that with Hrothgar too...or at least it feels that way with mine. <_<

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Originally Posted by Jettinson

Some races share certain hairstyles, the first female lalafells have it if I am not mistaken... although I can see Vieras looking good with that!

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Is this a thing? There are some shared racial hairstyles?

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I think 3 of those are miqote only. The yshtola one I would really love though. And also the minfilia one. All the paid ones should just be available for everyone.

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I have the hair i want to see on viera squared in red
the bob & her moddish hair can be worn by other races (the ones i have highlighted)

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

Not at all from what I know. Maybe the ears hitbox is bigger and messes with the umbrellas?

Here is my Hrothgar with an umbrella in a somewhat similar pose for reference:

https://i.imgur.com/bU35kwh.png https://i.imgur.com/bT9yFaB.png

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You're so cute :)

But thank you for confirming, looks like you have plenty of room for a pair of long ears and still keep dry!

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

I have the hair i want to see on viera squared in red
the bob & her moddish hair can be worn by other races (the ones i have highlighted)

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I'm sure the Y'shtola one will probably be made available at least. Eventually.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Is this a thing? There are some shared racial hairstyles?

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Yes, all the older character designs (including Au Ra) have a number of early styles that are shared with some but not all races.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Is this a thing? There are some shared racial hairstyles?

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There are hairstyles that are unique to each race, then there are a few that are shared with only 1 or 2 other races, and then there's the ones that everyone has.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I'm sure the Y'shtola one will probably be made available at least. Eventually.

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one day....

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Is this a thing? There are some shared racial hairstyles?

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Yeah, there are some, in between the legacy hairstyles yes.

I don't know if someone's posted this before, but still:

Mog Station hairstyles have to be available for our races. Of course, every hairstyle should be, but we're paying a premium for some of these and they're just not accessible. Someone got me the HW Shtola outfit a while ago, and I've been curious to try it out, but it's just not there.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

I don't know if someone's posted this before, but still:

Mog Station hairstyles have to be available for our races. Of course, every hairstyle should be, but we're paying a premium for some of these and they're just not accessible. Someone got me the HW Shtola outfit a while ago, and I've been curious to try it out, but it's just not there.

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Same, that is the one I REALLY want...or well..... I think minfilias would look really pretty on viera as well.

Honestly the quality of hairstyles that have come out these last couple of times just irk me.
I always feel like they are lacking SOMETHING. The two new ponytails from island sanctuary were so cute but WHY did they have to be so SHORT?!
It is a ponytail, far away from the body just make it a bit longer and it won't clip.....

Hm, YMMV? I am happy about short Viera hairstyles because before they made new ones accessible we had, like, two or so, and those were the same haircut but one had an extra braid. I am sure we'll get more long hairstyles for Viera as well with time. :)

I may be in the minority here, but I'm really hoping for more "fluffy"/wavy hairstyles for Viera (or across the board, really; Hrothgar look good with fluffy hair, too).

*looks over at Venat's hair*