Gender locked race?

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Originally Posted by Atticon

Art of a G'raha Tia minion was shown in the community stream, lending more credibility to the later leaks that mentioned Crystal Tower - and genderlocked races.

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I guess I better do the crystal tower quests on my new character then >_>

anyone got a link to the newer leaks?

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

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"Mr. Happy? The fat man who streams?" is my favorite part.

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Originally Posted by Atticon

Art of a G'raha Tia minion was shown in the community stream, lending more credibility to the later leaks that mentioned Crystal Tower - and genderlocked races.

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Genderlock is all but confirmed at this point.
Wonder how they'll explain it.

Lol I'm really wondering how they would tie in Crystal Tower for people who never did it in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Corue

Genderlock is all but confirmed at this point.
Wonder how they'll explain it.

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No explanation will be good enough.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

No explanation will be good enough.

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I'm guessing that they'll try and use lore as at least a partial excuse. Though if they do, the lore won't be the REASON for the gender locking, it'll just be the convenient shield they try to use.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

I'm guessing that they'll try and use lore as at least a partial excuse. Though if they do, the lore won't be the REASON for the gender locking, it'll just be the convenient shield they try to use.

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Yea, they can't really use that excuse when male miqote are just as rare. It just sucks that the new race will get caught up in the backlash over this.

Well, if it happens there's a history of them listening so just keep up the fight for the opposites

I personally given up on hoping for male Vieras.
It is a huge mistake by SE.
They decided to abandon what fans wanted for so long and instead bring something no one asked for.
The leaks were proven true by 99% and I have no reason to doubt them.
Still a big mistake by SE here.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Yea, they can't really use that excuse when male miqote are just as rare. It just sucks that the new race will get caught up in the backlash over this.

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Not only that, but there's the simple fact that...SE writes the lore.

There was no lore on male vieras in FF XIV until 4.5. By the time 4.5 was written and released they had certainly been past finalizing plans for Shadowbringers, at least in terms of big features like jobs and races.

Even IF the male viera lore was too confining to have them be playable...it's because they WROTE THEM with the goal of being unplayable. Lore doesn't just pope out of the ground on its own someone has to write it.

Hence why I say lore might be an excuse to not have male viera but it won't be the real reason for it.

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Originally Posted by Corue

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Genderlock is all but confirmed at this point.
Wonder how they'll explain it.

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Is that a minion though? Looks like chibi fanart to me.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

Lol I'm really wondering how they would tie in Crystal Tower for people who never did it in the first place.

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I've said elsewhere - if time travel is going to be involved somehow in 5.0's plot, and G'raha is back as an active character, then it seems quite possible that he'll be "from the future" (whether we go there or he comes back to our time) at whatever point the tower is unlocked again. It would sidestep the issue of whether an individual player has completed the raid or not, as it "will have" already happened for him, and would probably only need some variable dialogue at his (re)introduction to sort things out.

If Hrothgar are indeed Bara I prolly won't play one tho I'm really curious to see what they look like.
I wonder also what the Japan community think about the Genderlocked Races?

Honestly, minion or chibi art aside, being shown on an official stream out of the blue is pretty interesting since outside of leaks who would have thought an npc only crystal tower related would make a comeback.

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Originally Posted by Atticon

Art of a G'raha Tia minion was shown in the community stream, lending more credibility to the later leaks that mentioned Crystal Tower - and genderlocked races.

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Not necessarily the latter - the problem with inferring that all leaks stand on the same footing is we don't know the source for the gender-lock. The leaker just stated it's so. If it's their assumption based on localisation work leaks, it may still be in error. We've already seen that these leaks have varying accuracy.

Really, the basis for the G'raha Tia thing was there the minute he appeared in the art. People are being willfully blind to it, insisting it's a female au ra or some other catboy who just happens to look near identical.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

Lol I'm really wondering how they would tie in Crystal Tower for people who never did it in the first place.

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There was an interesting post on this on Reddit:

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I remember the Plot hooks from both CT and Ivalice. In the final CT Cutscenes Nero dropped his detector into the deep chasm at the CT ... which started beeping again shortly afterwards and in the final Ivalice scene we see that they intend to use the Thanatos to reach the center of Hydalin.

If I remember correctly that detector was used by Nero to detect the Power of Darkness so that thing beeping again after dropping it there has some implications.

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The poster meant the robot dude and not Thanatos and he's alluding to Tartarus.

Although the Crystal Tower is likely to be involved in somewhere, purely due to what it's capable of, I find the above to certainly appear to be a promising connection. Can anyone confirm the detector part? I don't have any screenshots saved from the CT stuff.

I'm just glad my boy G'raha is coming back.

Just came here warn that when Male Viera are out really, really, really want to be invited to everyone wedding (Ragnarok server survivors):

:) Male Viera with Male/Female whatever except with gnomes/hobbits/something (cause in that time will be sick).

Pls invite with anticipation so can find Anni a decent mullet, ceremony dress glamour and a decent wedding gift other than a brick wall, because last wedding was invited last second and couldn't even find a good wedding gift.

Peace <3 FREESTYLAH ROCK ROCK ROCK THE MICROPHONE oV

I can't wait for male viera to happen just to make everyone's all caps knee jerk reactions (because I know someone in these 200+ pages has done it) look incredibly stupid.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

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I actually agree with him in some points, while I get all the hate of male Viera not being playable, I thought it wasn't that bad as long as the other new race was something interesting, but ANOTHER cat race? What are bara cat race? Some special Mi'qote?

I remember the guy from Crystal Tower but he seemed like a normal male Mi'qote to me that had something special in his blood. (Don't remember much about CS story.)

Also, the new job being Dancer is awesome! Of course, all of this is assuming these leaks are true.

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Originally Posted by Conquistadork

I actually agree with him in some points, while I get all the hate of male Viera not being playable, I thought it wasn't that bad as long as the other new race was something interesting, but ANOTHER cat race? What are bara cat race? Some special Mi'qote?

I remember the guy from Crystal Tower but he seemed like a normal male Mi'qote to me that had something special in his blood. (Don't remember much about CS story.)

Also, the new job being Dancer is awesome! Of course, all of this is assuming these leaks are true.

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The leaks sort of sounding like there is some connection between Crystal Tower and the new race in "Yes, Crystal Tower is coming back. Expect many new cats." make me nervous. If the new race is a bunch of Allagan altered Miqo'te, I don't know what I'll do. Just be literally dumbfounded.

March cannot come soon enough.

I can't wait to see what happens. There are so many options and avenues of possibility, and how they will go from there is interesting.

Optimally our minds are blown, alternatively we get to see SE do an oopsy - which will be an interesting show for the forums I guess.. lol.

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Originally Posted by Corue

Wonder how they'll explain it.

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I can see them postponing one gender fairly easily, in my own "acceptance" at least, via some very strict lore and engagement through the story but to do that twice for two races sounds a bit impractical or at least a lot harder to pull off without looking like it was forced and silly. If the fire drew all the male Viera to deal with an extreme threat and are all busy off doing who knows what (or drew off and killed), through the story then you can help bring them back to the forest (perhaps back in time via the crystal tower, otherwise viera going to go extinct lol).

Viera male 5.X / 6.0. I'm not suggesting people would love it, but I could see it working via lore and damaging any sort of hate train (while allowing them to introduce two races at once for players to play, which is a value to some and obviously not to others).

To see that twice though.. seems a bit tough. Of course they could have no intention of making both genders available later, in which case it's not tough it's just rough lol (and the hate train will launch on all cylinders then). And lots of other options, could have only one race, or both genders for two races, etc etc.

Well, I hope they're ready for years of asking if we can get the other set.

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Originally Posted by Metsonm

Well, I hope they're ready for years of asking if we can get the other set.

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The girls and the gays will have to join forces once again and pester Yoshi till he caves. I'm ready. :v I'm in it for the long haul.

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Originally Posted by Gula

I can't wait for male viera to happen just to make everyone's all caps knee jerk reactions (because I know someone in these 200+ pages has done it) look incredibly stupid.

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Lol careful, the spite police might show up and make you feel bad!

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

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Thank you

i'm gunna take this leak with grains of salt for 3 reasons

1) they are being very vindictive to not only SE their former employer who probably were let go over the last leaks (fair i would be angry too after losing job due to someone else's fault) but to people wanting male viera as well who for whatever happened is just being mean spirited with this

2) they contradict themselves by saying i don't want to spoil for people but reveal not only gender locking will be a thing but new job and stuff coming in Eureka. A spoiler is a spoiler if it hasn't been officially announced no matter what you are spoiling

3) Still no name on this other race i'm sorry but a name means absolutely nothing if its a new race its not a story spoiler we can't guess what it'll look like from just a name saying Bara cats is more spoilery to this new race than a name so why hide this name as much as every leak has its silly

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Originally Posted by Lacan

The girls and the gays will have to join forces once again and pester Yoshi till he caves. I'm ready. :v I'm in it for the long haul.

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[insert 500 page rant on why I wasn't included into the group, end with smug self back pat]

Also, I shall call your team the GGs.

PACK IT UP BOYS THE GGs ARE COMING, GG. GG. GET OUT, YOSHIDA SAVE YOURSELF.

Maybe i'll play both sides.

Going to start the straight masculine sirens and half way through flip and then near the end as Yoshida's resolve crumbles and male Viera starts to come out flip again. Just to cry endlessly on how no one will play it but occasionally make long posts on how fabulous and pretty they are, and ultimately ask for it to be canceled because it's making me question myself and the community. Finally once its out I'll pretend I was always for it and say everyone misunderstood me and made me a victim for my heroic support and really how much I had to bear for the community to get male Viera out.

I'm going to call it my #currentyearpolitics game plan, it'll work flawlessly - so long as no one archives anything.

Less jokey though I cannot fathom, except on one or two reasons, that they haven't thought the demand for male Viera would be strong and persistent until made - such that IF male Viera is locked that male Viera will be unlocked and is already planned to be.

The only things that I think could prevent it is the two developers (either one or both) Yoshida and Matsuno sticking their foot down and playing the trump card "No bunnies, never". The reason I say that is because it would be very beneficial for them to have designs, concepts, story, and ground work needed for later releasing the other gender even if they're not ready yet (preparing the work as they move forward, making it easier and less of a sudden 180/u-turn - don't need to go back as much).

So unless there is top brass intervention I feel that they've already the plan for male Viera even if it's not out this expansion release because... many people will push for it and so it doesn't make sense to me that they're thinking "nope we will NEVER do it". Even if it's longer than anticipated I'm assuming they've got plans prepared.

Perhaps its like "if we get enough demand begin operation fabulous", otherwise shelve it for later when we're out of ideas (so how soon would depend on response maybe, with obviously a minimum amount of time that'd have to pass because it'll still take some time).

Yeah, it's a bit sketchy to give info as obvious as "I worked for square and now I work for cygames" unless there was a mass exodus from square to cygames because then it's like hey, there's Hiromi he's the leaker! (Random name) But at the same time all of these leaks and mishaps keep lining up in a row.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

[insert 500 page rant on why I wasn't included into the group, end with smug self back pat]

Also, I shall call your team the GGs.

PACK IT UP BOYS THE GGs ARE COMING, GG. GG. GET OUT, YOSHIDA SAVE YOURSELF.

Maybe i'll play both sides.

Going to start the straight masculine sirens and half way through flip and then near the end as Yoshida's resolve crumbles and male Viera starts to come out flip again. Just to cry endlessly on how no one will play it but occasionally make long posts on how fabulous and pretty they are, and ultimately ask for it to be canceled because it's making me question myself and the community. Finally once its out I'll pretend I was always for it and say everyone misunderstood me and made me a victim for my heroic support and really how much I had to bear for the community to get male Viera out.

I'm going to call it my #currentyearpolitics game plan, it'll work flawlessly - so long as no one archives anything.

Less jokey though I cannot fathom, except on one or two reasons, that they haven't thought the demand for male Viera would be strong and persistent until made - such that IF male Viera is locked that male Viera will be unlocked and is already planned to be.

The only things that I think could prevent it is the two developers (either one or both) Yoshida and Matsuno sticking their foot down and playing the trump card "No bunnies, never". The reason I say that is because it would be very beneficial for them to have designs, concepts, and ground work for later releasing the other gender even if they're not ready yet (preparing the work as they move forward, making it easier and less of a sudden 180/u-turn - don't need to go back as much).

So unless there is top brass intervention I feel that they've already the plan for male Viera even if it's not out this expansion release because... many people will push for it and so it doesn't make sense to me that they're thinking "nope we will NEVER do it". Even if it's longer than anticipated I'm assuming they've got plans prepared.

Perhaps its like "if we get enough demand begin operation fabulous", otherwise shelve it for later when we're out of ideas (so how soon would depend on response maybe, with obviously a minimum amount of time that'd have to pass because it'll still take some time).

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I welcome your support even if you are straight! You can't help that you are straight and I would never judge you for that. :) We'll need all the people badgering Yoshi-p that we can get.

I really hope there are no gender locked races. I have no intention of playing a male viera, but from an RP perspective it's going to annoy people that want to RP them. And if we have male keepers I see no reason not to have male viera lore wise. Not to mention duskwights being uncommon in general out and about. The player character is an individual not a statistic. There don't have to be a lot of male viera adventuring for the WOL to be one.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I welcome your support even if you are straight! You can't help that you are straight and I would never judge you for that. :) We'll need all the people badgering Yoshi-p that we can get.

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It's too late for you, you've already created the evil mastermind - I've placed Sephiroth's nude portrait on my wall, my wife is confused and terrified, and I will be seeing you at the war table shortly!

DOWN WITH THE MALE VIERA!! (until I flip, please look forward to it)

Also I'm just having fun lol. Like I assume you were. Were not actually excluding anyone, just playing up/having fun with the stereotype of who would likely want to play the gender/race - I'd gamble that would be correct as well (generally at least, but that's literally what a stereotype is so.. yeah lol). My dark humor saw that and was like "I must poke it" "HOW DARE YEEE" :D haha.

https://www.tickcounter.com/countdow...-japan-fanfest
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Well, I don't think they will ever lock the gender for the races. Release two races, good attractive. Lock? Unless Yoshi-p nickname is Lahabrea and he plans to bring Calamity upon us all!
And 'bout le leaks...
I shall ponder doubt on it. Much more about Market move than anything.
Hear, feel... Think!!!
Remember those pictures of celebrities privacy "leaked" for the sole purpose of put their names on the News?
Those leaks for me are much more teases to keep everyone occupied til the new content arrives.
(Hell, other companies Always follow up the other, do you think that one would contract anyone who leaks info?)

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Originally Posted by Shougun

It's too late for you, you've already created the evil mastermind - I've placed Sephiroth's nude portrait on my wall, my wife is confused and terrified, and I will be seeing you at the war table shortly!

DOWN WITH THE MALE VIERA!! (until I flip, please look forward to it)

Also I'm just having fun lol. Like I assume you were. Were not actually excluding anyone, just playing up/having fun with the stereotype of who would likely want to play the gender/race - I'd gamble that would be correct as well (generally at least, but that's literally what a stereotype is so.. yeah lol). My dark humor saw that and was like "I must poke it" "HOW DARE YEEE" :D haha.

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lol, yes, all in good fun! You can't take this stuff very seriously. You make good points though!

Side note, since we were talking about G'raha Tia potentially coming back for Shadowbringers. I looked the the key art some more, and if you look real close at the guy in the red cloak, I can sorta make out the startings of the miqote eye marks. I thought it was just part of the shadow at first, but they actually seem to jut out a bit from it.

What do you guys think (I made an arrow pointing at it):
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Originally Posted by Riardon

I personally given up on hoping for male Vieras.
It is a huge mistake by SE.
They decided to abandon what fans wanted for so long and instead bring something no one asked for.
The leaks were proven true by 99% and I have no reason to doubt them.
Still a big mistake by SE here.

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I have no doubt, they didn't know what to do with the male Viera feet and refused to give them heels, so they made a different race.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

I have no doubt, they didn't know what to do with the male Viera feet and refused to give them heels, so they made a different race.

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The thing is, I think they might have actually given the female viera normal feet to begin with. We can't really tell until someone can actually make one and change their footgear, but their RSE might just be really tall high heels and their feet look normal in any other gear. Fran's feet in XIV look way different than they did in XII at least.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

The thing is, I think they might have actually given the female viera normal feet to begin with. We can't really tell until someone can actually make one and change their footgear, but their RSE might just be really tall high heels and their feet look normal in any other gear. Fran's feet in XIV look way different than they did in XII at least.

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Comments around the amount of work required to account for the feet would not have been made if it was just the one pair of shoes.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

Comments around the amount of work required to account for the feet would not have been made if it was just the one pair of shoes.

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I guess it would make them look silly if they went with regular feet after making such a big deal about the amount of work going into making the feet work. But still, to think they'd just give up on the male viera because they couldn't bear to give them heels. Sounds like taking the easy way out to just scrap them altogether on account of that.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I guess it would make them look silly if they went with regular feet after making such a big deal about the amount of work going into making the feet work. But still, to think they'd just give up on the male viera because they couldn't bear to give them heels. Sounds like taking the easy way out to just scrap them altogether on account of that.

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Keep in mind this is the same studio that assigned the male bunny suit to a female dev because it made the male devs uncomfortable to work on.

That said, male Viera may still happen... I know as much as the rest of you.

disappointing as the last bunny debacle was, the is also the team that went out of their way to add high heels to nearly all of the sets based on the casting contest design winner when the original art had gender neutral shoes.

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in game tank & caster shoes on a lizard man.

If the heels themselves were a problem...just make them transparent on guys? The caster shoes with the heels removed would look exactly like the concept art's digitigrade feet :confused: