Participated in L60 DR on AST and got paired with a PLD (still rocking one STR ring!) who ran off when the shield dropped in Pharos HM. Okay, no problem, I can deal with this.
He pulls the first two sets of mobs and for some reason hate starts going everywhere. I noticed he has no Oath on so I polite suggest he turn on an Oath.
No response.
After the next pull i ask him to put on an Oath in party with a <SE.1>.
Still no response.
It's then I began to notice that he wasn't using any cooldowns or anything. He didn't even bother to move when he got a tether on the first boss.
It pretty much went like this for the entire DR and I wanted to either kick him or let him die throughout the run. I didn't though because I just wanted the run over with.
Still, it's frustrating to see. I would've been much happier if he picked an Oath (even if that Oath was Sword Oath) because at least then I'd know he was remotely trying.
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03-21-2016, 07:14 AMGhishlain
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03-21-2016, 08:25 AMVidu
Reading of Sastasha NM speedruns brings back terrible memories of a german group I was with once... (I'm german myself so at least language wasnt an issue)
I was on my scholar, a warrior tank maybe? - and I dont know the dps anymore, but no one had a really great AoE. We load in, everyone is waiting for my protect - my first cross class skill is cleric stance because Selene can pretty much solo-heal those dungeons. I explain them that I dont have protect on this level, they're okay with it and we pull the first group. I switch into cleric... and the tank starts calling me out for it - like how I dare to have cleric instead of protect. I try to tell him that he doesnt need it and that I would make sure he wont die. He insist that he could "pull more with protect" - yeah dude, this is Sastasha NM... we have little to no good AoE and you want to pull more?!
I tell him: "Sure, go for it, I'll heal you" and start chasing him through the dungeon, telling him to pull even more. He gets nasty, saying how useless my cleric stance would be now since I'm not getting a single dps-spell off, while I remind him that he didnt needed protect after all - and finally settle the argument by telling him that the very first dungeon might not be the best place to discuss how a healer should be doing his job as long as no one dies...
We werent faster btw... I bet it would have been over sooner if he would have done normal pulls and let me dps... -
03-21-2016, 08:54 AMFluestergras
Today I ran World of Darkness, Antitower and Amdapor Hard.
All three duties dropped their respective pets and I rolled 90+ on all of them - just to loose them to the derpest person in the entire party ;_; -
03-21-2016, 08:58 AMXlantaa
Went to the Void Ark as ninja. All started normally, till the third boss. People started makes jokes in alliance chat. Nothing wrong wiht this. But, one of the tanks decided go more far and started trolling, and after pull the boss, he started turning him, running around him. Melee classes weren't unable to DPS poperly. Some people of the alliance found this fun, others started to be annoyed. We killed the boss and proceed with Echidna. Things turning worst, not only the tank doing the same, but some people even encourage him and laugh his jokes. One of the other tanks decided stop this and pull the aggro from him to stop that stupid situation. But of course, the troll tank provoked and aggro the boss to keep trolling the entire raid "because is more fun", resulting in a even worse tank swap, making the boss changing the tank constantly, fucking the melee DPS even killing some people due to the cleave. We killedher and finish that torture.
Really, if they were bored could log off and do something else instead of trolling others. He was bad, but the people who laugh and encourage him to troll are worse. -
03-21-2016, 01:29 PMTinyMonster
I run my DR earlier as AST and got paired with a PLD - BLM - MNK in Vault. First my tank never used a Oath so the BLM and MNK kept getting aggroed and my BLM never moved out of aoes at all... It was a nightmare. Then after the run they started saying I was a shitty healer, and that I should quit healing.. I never said anything the entire run, made me feel like crap for the rest of the night.
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03-21-2016, 01:47 PMZadocfish
Ran Cape Westwind for the first time today.
It MIGHT have been challenging with a 4-man group. It was a complete joke with 8... -
03-21-2016, 02:10 PMTinyMonsterBack then our gear was shitty and was harder... Okay it was always easy but it was still a bit more challengingQuote:
Originally Posted by Zadocfish
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03-21-2016, 03:30 PMGeulaPretty much everything related to main scenario quest won't be too challenging, at least in the vanilla game. Extreme trials are really fun if you enjoy challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zadocfish
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03-21-2016, 03:44 PMMwynnIf you have completed Vault as a AST, I truly do not think so that you might be a "Shitty Healer".Quote:
Originally Posted by TinyMonster
The Dungeon was / or is still Hell when being an Astrologian and is a completely joke as a Tank when the Tank goes into Tank Stance and atleast pops a CD on some Pulls or Bosses... -
03-21-2016, 03:50 PMSelliI have received access to this Facebook group and was able to post my side of the story. ^.^ Hopefully this issue will resolve and the mean tells will go away.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnstablePersonality
I am not going to say which Facebook group it is because I do not wish to aggravate the situation further. I do think since the posts are all public, releasing the group name would be almost as bad as naming and shaming since the information is easily accessible. Those in the group who go on the forums are probably already aware of the situation, though I'm not certain how many people that may actually be. -
03-21-2016, 04:31 PMRhykuI had a gander. My gosh, the arrogance of that guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Selli
I'm glad you posted your side of the story! :) -
03-21-2016, 04:48 PMSaitoHikariYup, speaking as someone that has all three healers maxed out now, I had the hardest time in the Vault as an Astrologian. I'm not even sure why, because on paper it should have been even harder as a WHM at this point. I was popping Synastry every chance I got for the heal potency buff and the tank's HP would still drop like a rock. Then again, as an AST, I typically got tanks that didn't use their CDs as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mwynn
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03-21-2016, 05:01 PMMwynnSynastry is Godlike, I am maining AST atm (Being iLvl 220) and just have to farm SephEx where it totally shines. Those Heals that come from Synastry are around 15k total when it crits.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaitoHikari
Lightspeed is such a awesome Ability, I rarely see AST's using it, which they should. Pretty much saved the entire Run from being wiped be it Smashing Fist Mechanic in SephEx or Chariberts awful Fire AoE's in Vault. -
03-21-2016, 05:34 PMAlistaireThat fight in particular is designed so 8 level 49 players can beat it. i47-49 weapons and original i50 job-specific gear at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zadocfish
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03-21-2016, 06:07 PMalimdia
Got Ravana in trials.
I see other tank is new(cut scene and we have bonus)
Someone pulls before I can explain
After ultimate said tank falls off and one of the healers died multiple times (obvious was new too)
I decide to restart
Start explaining
I hear someone pull again
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03-21-2016, 06:26 PMXlantaaQuote:
Originally Posted by alimdia
I hate a lot that people. This situation is specially irritating. Some people need rush everything, cannot wait few minutes, need to do all here and now.
I have a rule for that, people who pull, people who tank. So if they are rushing, they will had deal with tanking if pull before me. I do not care if it is a healer o DPS (unless it is accidentally, of course). -
03-21-2016, 06:36 PMSelliI will admit the other caster in the party did get quite heated in the comments, he was pretty upset about the hat. But my motivation for the dismiss wasn't based upon the hat, it doesn't matter to me who gets the loot as long as everyone is participating. The hat just seemed to be the final nail in the coffin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyku
Honestly, I thought the guy was a bot. XD
But I'm glad I was able to make my post. It was a bit unnerving to have my name out there like that, hopefully everything settles down. -
03-21-2016, 06:45 PMFluestergrasNah, the Vault on AST is more difficult than on WHM (I never healed it on SCH, can't say anything about it), but not that much that you can say "whoever beats the Vault on AST cannot be a shitty healer".Quote:
Originally Posted by Mwynn
What TinyMonster earns my respect for though is completing the Vault on AST with a stanceless tank and a DPS who keeps standing in AOE. -
03-21-2016, 07:05 PMRhykuIt's probably those mount farmers. I've met my fair share of players like that farming for that damn bloody lanner and there are some who outright ignore mechanics, esp in Swift Liberation phase, and/or prey phase.Quote:
Originally Posted by alimdia
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03-21-2016, 07:49 PMMwynnIt's actually easy on SCH, buff up your Fairy, Adlo + E4E on Tank, Shadowflare and start your DoT's and Bane them, this the entire Run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluestergras
You can also DPS on Charibert if the Tank does not mess up popping Cooldowns. -
03-21-2016, 08:55 PMXxDeeDevilxXI read that particular post on the FB post actually and wasn't sure what to really think of it until another member of your party in there replied and it seemed to get a bit out of hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Selli
Since I don't really reply much on things in that group since it's way too salty there, I was glad I came across your reply here as well
While it's hard to believe who's telling the actual truth and what not, I am inclined to believe that the vote dismiss wasn't without a good reason and I thank you for clearing things up a bit
It sounds like he wasn't really trying to communicate anyways and rolling need on an item after a fight you have not contributed to is just pure lameness and it's very rude
Sorry you and others got name-shamed on there though for no good reason, I hope it will sail by soon D:
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03-21-2016, 08:55 PMTinyMonsterThank you. With a good group, I actually enjoy healing as an AST in the vault. My AST is also my main.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mwynn
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03-21-2016, 09:08 PMUnstablePersonalityMount doesn't drop in HM, extreme doesn't come up in trial roulette, pretty sure the tank was just an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyku
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03-21-2016, 09:21 PMZhoRa13
2 runs of Aurum Vale.
1st run - Healer leaves right as Queue starts, so I'm left with a tank (roommate) and the other DPS standing at the entrance with no healer. "Alright, can't be that bad... let's just wait for..." *Machinist leaves* "Ok... soooo... let's wait for another DPS and a healer...". Not even a Minute in another DPS joins us, we explain the situation, so the person is nice enough to wake his friend up (a healer) to come and join us x) We didn't even mind the healer taking 2 minutes to grab a cup of coffee after the 1st boss. Run went pretty smoothly.
2nd run - healer leaves after the 1st boss. After a long-ass wait we we get a pretty damn good AST.
Alright, 2 runs completed, I'm still kinda sick of this dungueon, gonna go have some fun at Gold Saucer.
My roommate decided to do a 3rd run. 5 minutes in I hear him yell "WTF is up with this place and healers?! Ours just left before the 1st Boss!"
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03-21-2016, 09:50 PMZhoRa13I find it kind of funny that people got out of their way and spend so much energy on making others look bad. Imagine how bad their lives must be that they actually get pleasure from making others feel bad/worse x)Quote:
Originally Posted by Selli
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03-21-2016, 10:17 PMSelliAhaha, yes I think I know the party member you are talking about. He is very... passionate. He's on my server and in my PvP LS and he tends to go 450% with whatever he has set his mind on. His determination is admirable, but it also gets him into a fair bit of trouble. ^.^"Quote:
Originally Posted by XxDeeDevilxX
I actually didn't read any of the replies on the post after the first 10 or so due to how bad it got, but reading those would not have changed my experience, so I figured it was best to skip them and avoid getting upset. I do agree this group is rather... rough around the edges. Gilgamesh has a bad reputation as a server, but I much prefer our FB group to this one. I don't plan on staying in it longer than I need to.
I don't expect everyone to blindly accept my side as the truth, I can only report on why I did what I did and said what I said. His behavior with the included silence really came off as leech/bot-like to me. I don't like vote dismissing, so I try to make sure I have at least 3 things about a person that seem really off before I launch one. At the time, to me, I felt like the action I took was the best one.
The party was rather chatty at the start of the run, and I'm pretty sure they covered items they wanted, I was only there for the EXP and nostalgia, so I wasn't paying much attention to the chat myself, so I can understand if he missed that part too, but it was brought up again as soon as the item dropped. I agree communication would have very quickly ended the whole situation. If he had said "brb emergency" during the fight to justify not accepting raise or "sry didn't mean to roll" when he won the loot, or even contributing to the fight at all, the situation would have ended then and there.
I hope it ends soon too and thank you for your sympathy. c: I was surprised to hear the incident spun so backwards and even more confused when I found the person dismissed wasn't even on my server. I figured it came from the forums since I am active here, but I didn't see a post about it, so after some asking I found the Facebook post. There's only one Selli Noblesse, so I guess it was very easy for members in there on Gilgamesh to find me in game (one did actually message my boyfriend who also has the last name Noblesse, he was very confused). I think the caster mentioned earlier (the one who got very upset) has definitely been getting more flack than I have, as he got blamed for my vote kick initially, I mostly got scolded for my blunt comment.
[EDIT]I think it is human nature to try to make ourselves look good in any situation, especially when we feel wronged. From the small bit of context posted, the one I dismissed definitely looked like he was being wronged and bullied. I know now I could have worded what I said a little better, though I did it out of haste not out of spite. It was easy to exclude previous information from the fight beforehand to allow for easier sympathy and to make others look bad, which is exactly what was accomplished.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZhoRa13
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03-21-2016, 11:07 PMelemental10
I'm seeing a lot of tanks lately who just run ahead when the last enemy of the mob is around 10%.
Why? Does it actually makes the dungeon go faster? If it does, I bet its just a couple of minutes. So, why?
I mean I understand if its 24-man raid like Void Ark (I ALWAYS got an MT who runs ahead of the group and decides to pull early. It's considered the norm now.)
But a dungeon, especially with a healer or a DPS who's new? I don't know... Just feel like some people likes to do that because they think it's "pro MLG" stuff. -
03-21-2016, 11:10 PMAngeloFlick
I have had the worst week for A8N. I cleared once early on with 3 other people from my FC but lost the roll on everything so I've been re-queuing daily (on either my PLD or DRG plus WHM spouse) and it's been an utter crap storm. Either the group does mechanics but can't muster the necessary DPS so we wipe on autoclean or the group has the DPS but ignores the mechanics. No tank swapping, people not switching to kill the steam adds, people not stacking for Brawler, people not stacking during Brute Justice. Additionally over half the tanks are still wearing STR accessories.
Last night it was all of those at once. First two steam adds exploded and we wipe. One of the DPS starts to bitch at the healers and I point out that the adds weren't handled. I put down marks and ask other DPS to call their targets. Then tanks don't switch for UD and one of them dies and gets rezzed. During robot phase not everyone is stacking when needed but we make it to Brute. Then the other healer drops a Med2 right as he forms and gets eaten. He gets a rez. We get through one cycle with only half of us stacking for shared hit. Then the MT goes down on the tankbuster because the other tank isn't sharing it. Then half of us stack for the shared hit again, and I and spouse die. Healer 2 rezzes spouse as two other DPS go down. Healer LB3 goes off, everyone gets up. On the next shared hit half of us stack and we go right back down. Wipe. Vote abandon passes.
We're super casual but I guess we need to find a static or something? I don't want to raid, I just want my weekly drop. :( -
03-21-2016, 11:12 PMVidrian
Good story: on my way from 1 to 55, i only had 6 groups that wiped continuously and kicked or abandoned after wiping once on the first boss of Qarn NM, when me and the healer were new and no one explained a thing.
The rest were all pretty sooth clears, maybe a few wipes, but we finished eventually. -
03-21-2016, 11:20 PMZhoRa13Human nature indeed. Most people don't want to aknowledge that they're wrong. Not that I'm any different, but I would definitely not waste my time making a FB post or whining about it on the Forums. I'd make myself some tea, grab a cookie, calm the fudge down and join another queue hoping not to get agitated x)Quote:
Originally Posted by Selli
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03-21-2016, 11:34 PMGeulaIt kinda feels like whatever people don't do it's MLG pro stuff. When I see a tank run off on their own they usually run at full health so there isn't really much to worry about but if you see someone who was being chipped at and runs with less than full health and makes a big a pull you can ask them if they are sure that they can handle such speed before they blame the healer for not being on pair. But usually those tanks know how to handle their stuff and even with new members to duty it usually goes smooth. Why not try to save time? Nothing wrong with going at your own pace though.Quote:
Originally Posted by elemental10
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03-21-2016, 11:34 PMNiamh_RillemaughIf there's a Monk in the party, it definitely makes the dungeon faster, since they won't lose their stacks and lose out on quite a bit of damage. Otherwise it doesn't really do anything. If you have a holying white mage, it can actually slow things down since they're not getting that bit of MP back between groups and will hold back some holys.Quote:
Originally Posted by elemental10
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03-22-2016, 01:24 AMbounddreamerNot only monks, but dragoon prefer not to lose Blood of the Dragon, so chain pulling helps them too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niamh_Rillemaugh
I don't normally chain pull but when I do there's a MNK or DRG in the party. -
03-22-2016, 02:56 AMCnidarianThis could also apply to SMN and BLM as well with Aethertrail stacks and possibly Enochian.Quote:
Originally Posted by bounddreamer
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03-22-2016, 03:23 AMAmaya-AshaOmG i know your pain A7-8N was hell all week didn't get my weekly drops till yesterday capped lore just by doing those 2 fights everyday repeatedly for a week.. Felt like DF group quality got worse day by day. :mad:I was bad in some runs just from boredom and frustration. My average lot was between 3-48 and my highest was 95 but won my lots with 56 and 84.. Not looking forward to doing A7-8N at all this week but I still need few things from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AngeloFlick
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03-22-2016, 03:39 AMKaurieFirst rule of Midas is to get all your drops on Tuesday, or expect cruddy groups :\Quote:
Originally Posted by AngeloFlick
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03-22-2016, 03:46 AMCluebilly
I decided to get some Bismarck EX farming done. All is going well, the group is good. Great even! We're downing Bismarck a lot...and then it happens: The Lanner Whistle has dropped. Finally my chance to get a bird! I roll for it...and proceed to roll a measly 25. Much rage was had that night. Silent, anger induced rage.
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03-22-2016, 03:53 AMNorthernLadMSPQuote:
Originally Posted by AngeloFlick
Second rule of this game is that DPS (and tanks too) will always try and blame the healer when they screw mechanics up and get themselves killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaurie
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03-22-2016, 04:25 AMGhishlainAlternatively, bring enough friends in a pre-made where you can carry any group you get (preferably with at least some of the core roles covered) regardless of the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaurie
I know this is harder for some but if you can get this together, you tend to get around derpy PuGs regardless of how derpy they are. -
03-22-2016, 04:36 AMKaurieHeh naturally if you can bring your own party the rule is void ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghishlain