Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Because it's an mmo, and a small fun part of MMOs is showing off your accomplishments. That's why there are titles, and unique mounts and things for certain achievements, raiding or otherwise. It doesn't mean someone has a huge ego, or overvalues their MMO accomplishments in their real life. It's just a fun thing because this is a hobby and a game. One you clearly don't care about at all, which is fine, but doesn't mean people can't have their fun and show off a little when they spent weeks / months as a coordinated team to down the most challenging content. Letting them show off their shiny thing almost no one else has doesn't mean they need a therapist.



I understand your point. You just can't see that not all players think like you do about it. I can see cool current-gear raid gear or mounts out and about being used by *gasp* total strangers and think it's a neat/cool thing they have. Some players like to sit in town AFK showing off the shiny new thing. Doesn't mean it's "all about ego" and the only reason they raid. It's just a small part of raiding for some raiders who accomplished something most players haven't.

You don't feel this way, which is fine. I can understand your point of view - you are the one seemingly unable to comprehend the other side and then act like I'm the one confused.

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I cbf to edit the specific point I'm referring to but just wanted to mention one thing:

You're aware people buy savage and ultimate clears, right? Like...you act like it's a massive accomplishment when you can buy a clear and have it done that same day. I honestly don't trust any Legends off the bat unless I know them personally because there's no real way to tell how exactly they got that title.

If we're really gonna talk cheating, how about we start with people piloting your account for you or eating dirt while everyone else clears for you?

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I cbf to edit the specific point I'm referring to but just wanted to mention one thing:

You're aware people buy savage and ultimate clears, right? Like...you act like it's a massive accomplishment when you can buy a clear and have it done that same day. I honestly don't trust any Legends off the bat unless I know them personally because there's no real way to tell how exactly they got that title.

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In reality legend titles just point out who it is okay to laugh at when they fail any mechanic.

From what I can see, ultimate titles are only valid for a month from release. After that period, whoever is wearing the title has a high chance of being a clown. It's actually easier to assume anyone who's wearing an ultimate title is a clown rather than a skilled player nowadays, pretty sad.

Or maybe just wear a title that suits you as a person or you personally like instead of wearing something only to show off. No one gives a shit about your legend title. Everyone accomplish goals in this game, clearing ultimate doesn't make you a better person.

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Originally Posted by Hoodcat

What was this thread about again?

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It's about anti-mod/anti-cheat people constantly failing to understand anything people they disagree with have to say and then arguing against stuff that isn't being argued for. The thread's been rife with it. It's particularly funny when they accuse the other side of twisting stuff or refusing to understand or whatever when they're literally doing the same thing - it happens in every single one of these threads without fail.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I cbf to edit the specific point I'm referring to but just wanted to mention one thing:

You're aware people buy savage and ultimate clears, right? Like...you act like it's a massive accomplishment when you can buy a clear and have it done that same day. I honestly don't trust any Legends off the bat unless I know them personally because there's no real way to tell how exactly they got that title.

If we're really gonna talk cheating, how about we start with people piloting your account for you or eating dirt while everyone else clears for you?

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It's just so funny, every single time one of the anti-mod or anti-cheat (I'll be fair and separate the two) people brings up the "prestige" of raids they almost always reveal it's about their ego. Like, almost without fail in these threads.

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Originally Posted by Meowdyj

Or maybe just wear a title that suits you as a person or you personally like instead of wearing something only to show off. No one gives a shit about your legend title. Everyone accomplish goals in this game, clearing ultimate doesn't make you a better person.

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Or maybe people can just use whatever title they want and are allowed to be proud of what they accomplished and someone claiming on a forum that something is only valid within a certain time frame or they should stop showing off doesn't mean anything.
Yes, some people enjoy afking on the newest savage mount, with a Legend title or Necromancer title on etc and there's nothing wrong with it. Why are people so bothered by someone choosing to wear a Legend title anyway? Do they ruin your immersion with it? Does it suddenly force you to skip cutscenes? Do they make expert bosses enrage and wipe the party?
Just let them enjoy the game and wear things they're proud of. You're not the judge of what someone is allowed to be openly proud of or not.

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

Or maybe people can just use whatever title they want and are allowed to be proud of what they accomplished and someone claiming on a forum that something is only valid within a certain time frame or they should stop showing off doesn't mean anything.
Yes, some people enjoy afking on the newest savage mount, with a Legend title or Necromancer title on etc and there's nothing wrong with it. Why are people so bothered by someone choosing to wear a Legend title anyway? Do they ruin your immersion with it? Does it suddenly force you to skip cutscenes? Do they make expert bosses enrage and wipe the party?
Just let them enjoy the game and wear things they're proud of. You're not the judge of what someone is allowed to be openly proud of or not.

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Well in that case you would be wearing a title that suits you personally and not just one to show off with.

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

Or maybe people can just use whatever title they want and are allowed to be proud of what they accomplished and someone claiming on a forum that something is only valid within a certain time frame or they should stop showing off doesn't mean anything.
Yes, some people enjoy afking on the newest savage mount, with a Legend title or Necromancer title on etc and there's nothing wrong with it. Why are people so bothered by someone choosing to wear a Legend title anyway? Do they ruin your immersion with it? Does it suddenly force you to skip cutscenes? Do they make expert bosses enrage and wipe the party?
Just let them enjoy the game and wear things they're proud of. You're not the judge of what someone is allowed to be openly proud of or not.

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Wear whatever you want, idrc. That's not really the point of why people have issues with the Legend title, it's that it's very hard to know who actually did it or who just paid for a clear and had someone else pilot their account. Just because it's not as advertised as it used to be on the PF doesn't mean that discords don't exist where those people moved to, to continue conducting their business. If you're proud of that title, cool. If you put in the weeks/months of effort to clear it yourself, even cooler. If you paid for it though and are acting like a big shot who put the same amount of work into it as those who did legit clears...that's where people have the issue. That side of the game exists because people want the rewards but don't have time or care enough to put in the effort. It just has a negative stereotype that in my opinion is warranted and requires the person holding it to back up the weight of that title in other content or be associated with an RMT clear.

Hot take maybe but, I feel like that is a bigger example of cheating than someone using a plugin to make their UI look a bit neater. At least the person there is actually using their character and not taking a nap while another 8-man does it for them.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

I would have more faith and trust if this community wasn't full of cheaters, and as the WFR proved, ffxiv raiding is beyond saving

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Its good that you know now, so you have two options:

A. Make sure only like-minded people like you are in your static, and start stalking their streaming sites to make sure they're well-abiding eorzeans (paranoia).

B. Stop participating in TOP because the community cant be trusted.

Your choice.