How do we feel about tank damage right now?

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

It still stands. At no point you should be able to do an Extreme/Savage content synced without GCD heals. Or, to say it differently, healers shouldn't have that much oGCD heals. Remember back in ARR where Benediction was the only oGCD heal for WHM ?

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Don't get me wrong, I do think it is silly that healers can limit the GCD healing they need to do by so much, mostly due to healers having too many oGCD options, but at the same time, it would be foolish to not take full opportunity to make use oGCD heals as much as possible to maximise dps output.

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Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain

it would be foolish to not take full opportunity to make use oGCD heals as much as possible to maximise dps output.

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If the game let you, you're totally right to do so. I just to think it's too lenient in that regards. But, to be honest, I also thought that it was too lenient on how you could tank without your stance for basically whole fights before, without serious mitigation and/or enmity issue.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

But again, if they "press them all the time" it means they dedicate 0 GCD to heal, which is still a big gamble, while tank's rotation is the same, regardless of what damage you mitigate.
It would be very different if tanks had some mitigation GCD.

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Now imagine a situation where PLD or GNB has few powerful support CDs that he could heal his entire team with to full all the time and still do damage and tank on top of that.
Would it be fair? I dont think so.
Well guess thats how tanks feel like right now when they dedicate most of their skills to deal damage but in the end they are getting surpassed by healers 1-2 skills.
What if tanks have 1-2 skills that would surpass healers healing capabilities? Both aoe and single target, healer players will be first to cry about it.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

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Except tanks also reduce healing requirements passively. Healers cannot. There is no point at which a tank ever tanks less through dpsing. A healer must always do less damage to heal more than a few times per minute (via oGCDs).

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

What if tanks have 1-2 skills that would surpass healers healing capabilities? Both aoe and single target, healer players will be first to cry about it.

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Why are you so focused on tanks having healing capabilities ?
Do healers surpass your mitigation skills ? You remember that this is what separates tanks from other roles, right ?

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

It still stands. At no point you should be able to do an Extreme/Savage content synced without GCD heals. Or, to say it differently, healers shouldn't have that much oGCD heals. Remember back in ARR where Benediction was the only oGCD heal for WHM ?

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'Memba when SE said they wanted healers to heal more so they nuked their damage options?

I 'Memba.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

'Memba when SE said they wanted healers to heal more so they nuked their damage options?

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It doesn't take a PhD in game design to understand that in order to make healers heal more, the solution is to make others take more damage, not changing healer damage skills.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

What if tanks have 1-2 skills that would surpass healers healing capabilities? Both aoe and single target, healer players will be first to cry about it.

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They used to in the AoE department. Popping Berserk and Steel Cyclone spam would make you virtually unstoppable in large pulls where a healer didn't have to heal you.

Same with Dark Arts > Abyssal Drain.

SE took those away because they wanted the healers to heal more (except they really aren't)

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

SE took those away because they wanted the healers to heal more (except they really aren't)

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Well, if they healed more, they might finally truly notice how worthless their "MP-efficient" spells are outside of Nocturnal AST, how few synergies or interactions the healing toolkit has, and/or how barebone controller support is. Can't be having that.

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Originally Posted by FirstnameLastname

In fact, no. If you can do that, you are playing the content as intended: On a high skill level with minimal to no mistakes. GCD healing abilities are there to compensate mistakes and overall bad gameplay. See it as an additional resource for emergencies (or, in a DF like scenario, a tool to carry average DPS players).

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When over half of your toolkit is dedicated to things that should never happen, such that optimizing teamplay revolves around effectively removing the majority of toolkits, that's not a design issue?