Lack of End Game Content

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Originally Posted by Avraym

A) Because theres no end game reward thats relevant.
B) Finding a full group to clear Ultimate this many years later is next to impossible.

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:/ That right there is making me do that face. How can you say there's no endgame and you haven't done it? Those aren't good answers. You can make a discord and find people for Ultimate, many people have and do everyday. Literally you're askign for more endgame and yet you aren't doing ultimate? I don't want to be an ass but seriously how is anyone posed to take that? That's like saying - I HAVE NO FOOD- and you see 10 cans of soup , bread and chicken.

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Originally Posted by Avraym

A) Because theres no end game reward thats relevant.
B) Finding a full group to clear Ultimate this many years later is next to impossible.

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A) Its a challenge, the point of a challenge is to be overcome, you don't get nothing relevant out of nothing in a video game, its not real.

B) Yeah, its quite a niche activity very few people actualy want to do, so why adding more will suddenly make it all better ?

In the least surprising development this thread, the guy complaining about not having enough endgame content to do hasn't actually done all the endgame content yet.

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Originally Posted by Ibkee

In the least surprising development this thread, the guy complaining about not having enough endgame content to do hasn't actually done all the endgame content yet.

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I unsubbed when Ultimate content was released. Finding a group to do it now - is next to impossible. Especially since I'm an Australian, I have to share a server with non english speaking players for optimal ping.

Most people simple do not not want to do level 70/60 content at 80 - and I don't blame them. If the content was soloable - i'd do it in a heartbeat.

I'm complaining about current end game content. Not unsynced content for yesteryear.

Besides, theres plenty of other end game content they could add that isn't Ultimate. More Extremes, more savages or god forbid something new.

What's the real least surprising development in this thread is the bitterness and sarcasm we've all come to expect from the casual gamers who are somehow offended at the notion of balancing the casual to end game ratio a little more after all these years.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

7 extreme trials
2 ultimate bosses
12 raid bosses
12 bosses in 24 man raids

Combining all the above we easily have as many end game bosses as three WoW raid tiers. I'm happy with this.

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This is a very disingenuous way to look at it.

The 24-player raid bosses—even on week 1—are so laughably easy that it would be the WoW equivalent of only having bosses on LFR difficulty. You can make the same case for extreme trials, but on the WoW equivalent of normal difficulty. The true end game (in XIV) for players with functioning brain cells are the two ultimate bosses and twelve savage raid bosses. That's fourteen bosses in a two year period. Several games—not just WoW—beat XIV handily in less than a year in that regard.

You very much should not be happy with this. S-E can do much, much better with end game content.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

This is a very disingenuous way to look at it.

The 24-player raid bosses—even on week 1—are so laughably easy that it would be the WoW equivalent of only having bosses on LFR difficulty. You can make the same case for extreme trials, but on the WoW equivalent of normal difficulty. The true end game (in XIV) for players with functioning brain cells are the two ultimate bosses and twelve savage raid bosses. That's fourteen bosses in a two year period. Several games—not just WoW—beat XIV handily in less than a year in that regard.

You very much should not be happy with this. S-E can do much, much better with end game content.

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But should they seeing as once again the people complaining haven't even done the laughably easy endgame content. Why should SE listen to people not doing the content? Does that make sense?

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Originally Posted by Insertcoins

But should they seeing as once again the people complaining haven't even done the laughably easy endgame content. Why should SE listen to people not doing the content? Does that make sense?

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It's not a simple binary. I'll only speak for myself, but I've done 4/5 boss tiers in the past, and it just feels so hollow and unrewarding. Which is why I will not be diving into XIV's end game, because not enough is being produced to justify my time investment. Now, as an example, if the 24-player raid series became an 8-player series with normal and savage difficulties, resulting in 4-5 hard bosses every three months, that would be enough. The most simple expression to explain this is: build it and they will come. S-E has done a very poor job of building end game.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

It's not a simple binary. I'll only speak for myself, but I've done 4/5 boss tiers in the past, and it just feels so hollow and unrewarding. Which is why I will not be diving into XIV's end game, because not enough is being produced to justify my time investment. Now, as an example, if the 24-player raid series became an 8-player series with normal and savage difficulties, resulting in 4-5 hard bosses every three months, that would be enough. The most simple expression to explain this is: build it and they will come. S-E has done a very poor job of building end game.

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Or even Savage 4 Player Content.

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Originally Posted by Avraym

I unsubbed when Ultimate content was released. Finding a group to do it now - is next to impossible. Especially since I'm an Australian, I have to share a server with non english speaking players for optimal ping.

Most people simple do not not want to do level 70/60 content at 80 - and I don't blame them. If the content was soloable - i'd do it in a heartbeat.

I'm complaining about current end game content. Not unsynced content for yesteryear.

Besides, theres plenty of other end game content they could add that isn't Ultimate. More Extremes, more savages or god forbid something new.

What's the real least surprising development in this thread is the bitterness and sarcasm we've all come to expect from the casual gamers who are somehow offended at the notion of balancing the casual to end game ratio a little more after all these years.

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So, uh, yes, you haven't done all the endgame content then. Glad we cleared that up.

Your patronising way of moaning about "casuals", aka those who disagree with you, is bordering on the obsessive. That nagging worry that someone, somewhere might be enjoying themselves.
This game is as it is, a majority who play recognize that and deem it worthy of their money and effort. There are, however, those for whom there isn't enough of what they specifically want and, to quote Yoshi P, they are encouraged to unsub, take a break, play and do other things etc. But then I guess Yoshi P is just a "casual", after all.

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Originally Posted by Insertcoins

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I have cleared, farmed and helped people clear through all level 50-70 end game content, minus Ultimate, plus whatever level 80 content we have now. Ultimate has been something I’ve been progging when I can when RL permits. I used to try and prog seriously, but then I’ve had a series of traumatic events happen and trying to get my mental and physical health under control became my priority. As well as spending more time with my family. And now that my static is back together and I’m getting into a better place mentally, they want to do current content since savage comes out soon as well as the current ultimate they’re going to release, so unfortunately I’m SoL for the time being.

Besides the fact I don’t think I’m good enough for ultimate. I’ve tried for a while but either prog comes to a wall or the “top dogs” don’t want me with them because I’m not an orange parse. Savage is more my pace and more achievable. That group tend to not be so cut throat.