Fate tanks, they don't swap because they don't know how.Quote:
Originally Posted by bounddreamer
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03-11-2016, 09:50 AMWhiteroom
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03-11-2016, 10:51 AMRhaegarFFXIFenrir
Ignoring marked targets. Because apparently people put numbers over a target's head for no reason
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03-11-2016, 10:56 AMSaitoHikari
Today, I learned that if you go down the tubes in A7 with Foe's Requiem on, you're gonna straight up die.
Seriously, the mobs will attack you as you're sliding down. The entire way. You'll probably die before you even physically arrive to fight them. -
03-11-2016, 05:42 PMSelliLmao, omg. I'm tempted to try this now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaitoHikari
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03-11-2016, 05:47 PMSaitoHikariWell, when this happened to me, I actually got KO'd like a second after I arrived.Quote:
Originally Posted by Selli
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03-11-2016, 08:13 PMMysterysword
Couple of nights ago, I was bored and decided to get Trial Roulette done before heading to bed. Praying for something entertaining, I queue up as SCH and immediately land in Ravana.
Well. I guess I should be careful what I wished for, because that was only my second time fighting Ravana and my first time healing him. I would've dropped the party so they wouldn't have to suffer through it, except that one of the tanks turned out to be new, and the other tank dropped party before I even finished loading. And then everyone else drops, one by one, until it's just me, the new tank, and 1 DPS left.
I felt pretty damn sorry for someone who had the honesty to admit they were new, only to get slapped in the face like that, so I decided to stay. The party actually filled up pretty fast after that, so off we go.
It was so awful and I never should have done it and it was all my fault. On the bright side, I learned how to properly use the level 52 and 54 SCH skills I have. On the dark side, I wasted Swiftcast on resummoning Eos only for her to get her shit wrecked again in 2 hits, instead of reviving someone else.
Through some miracle, we managed to kill him on the first try and didn't wipe, but I think there was only myself, the WHM, and the BLM left standing when Ravana finally went down. I haven't felt this inadequate as a healer in a long time. WHM, if you're reading this, thanks for being awesome and doing stuff I couldn't do. -
03-11-2016, 08:17 PMSynrinI remember being first timer in Bismarck, Steps of Faith, and that Ascian guy void, and at least three people left every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mysterysword
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03-12-2016, 04:27 AMMiyha
I never posted this here because I posted it in the healer thread, but I think it's amusing enough to warrant my second double-post (one for each thread). Happened a couple days ago, and proooobably one of the greates "horror stories" I've encountered yet. :'D BEGIN COPYPASTA:
So I was healing an A7 where people just COULDN'T DODGE TO SAVE THEIR LIVES. We wiped TWIIIIIIIIICE, all below 10%, because tanks wouldn't move the boss far enough away from the cat AND WERE RUNNING IN THE WAY OF THE BALLS (yes, actually running in their path), and DPS were equally as horrible at dodging the balls. (Oh by the way, priceless statement from one tank: "How do you expect me to dodge the boss's attacks when I am the TANK?" LMAO! QQ; ) The second wipe was after I had brought the group back from a near wipe when the SCH couldn't keep everyone alive after I was sent to the "dungeon", was forced to pop ALL OF MY CDs except for CO (because I couldn't stand still long enough for it to land anything) to try to salvage the run, and FINALLY died after being clipped by the ball trying to focus on getting the tank to non-onehit health values.
At that point, I really didn't want to stick around for a 3rd disastrous run, so I did a vote abandon, because of that and because I wanted to go grab something to eat. (5:00 PM, haven't eaten all day. :/ ) Figured some people would share my same sentiment (usually with DF it's 3 strikes and we're out for me, but I just wasn't in the mood for a third run today), but INSTEAD... One of the DPS says, "...Why don't you do your job and try healing instead?"
LOOOOL??? I didn't let Asp. Helios fall off except for when I was focus-healing the tank for a few seconds before the swap, or someone was in one of the boxes and couldn't get the refresh. I was AoE healing whenever was necessary. I wouldn't let Asp. Benefic fall of either of the tanks, even when one was OTing. I was constantly popping cards. I was constantly popping CDs. I was running out of MP because I was RESSING SO MUCH and, at some points, trying to keep certain people alive by spamming Benefic IIs. That DPS says I was just standing there. Not doing anything. And not ressing people either, just letting them die. He said my lack of MP was because I died so much and had to be ressed (correction: I died twice outside of the all-out wipes, one of which I'll admit was entirely my fault). One of the tanks must have been his buddy (the one that made that amusing statement earlier) because he jumped in with the same shit too, which was so lulzy considering he died to some really stupid shit that neither I nor the SCH could have saved him from (see above).
Naturally, when someone fires at me and I don't deserve it, I fire back. I was even defending the SCH. Yet for some strange reason when I decided to make a snarky comment after we cleared, the SCH said I was "being a child"? Idk if they thought for some strange reason I wasn't healing too (especially after I could keep everyone alive solo when they were picked up and they COULDN'T the one time I was), or if copping attitude back to assholes wasn't one of the tools in their healer toolkit, or what. But... *shrug*
So I may have made everyone in that run hate me because I "wasn't healing", and because I wasn't afraid to tell that DPS and his tank buddy where to shove it. Sure, I could've just "taken the high road" and not said anything there at the end. But I'm not that classy. Especially when people aren't classy toward me. ;3 In the end, I got the crank I needed and don't need to run A7 again all week, got some quality entertainment, and everyone lived despite me apparently standing and doing nothing, so I DON'T CARE. <3 (And ironically, on the run that got the clear, I had to pop FEWER CDs to keep people alive, and only had to res the one herpaderp tank once because the other tank didn't swap fast enough.)
I will admit when I could have done something differently though, and that was just before our second wipe (literally a couple seconds before, the AoE took us out) and I thought I could still salvage things without trying to use healer LB3, since I had all of my CDs popped. Was poor judgment on my part, and it was a split-second do or die. Unfortunately, we died. Guess I suck those wrecking balls. (But seriously... HOW do people accuse you of not doing something when anyone with two eyes and a brain can see that you are? Ffs... I have no idea what these guys' definition of "doing nothing" is... and I don't want to know how they define "doing something", because that would probably entail sacrificing your firstborn to give the group immunity from everything they'd otherwise facetank and die from.) -
03-12-2016, 04:33 AMVeralidaineI'd say depends on dungeon. If it's under, say, level 35 or so, I'll pay attention to your marks.Quote:
Originally Posted by RhaegarFFXIFenrir
If it's later than that, especially past level 50, most classes have their aoes that are good on more than 1 monster. So I'll be spreading dots, aoeing, etc. Not going to focus just one monster when I can do more damage to them all and make then die fast. -
03-12-2016, 04:37 AMArkenne
So I was doing my Ex roulette and got into the Anti-tower.
The Tank went afk for a good while after the first boss so they got voted kicked out for us to never get anyone else.
The party was about to disband but I said "hey wait, gimme 2 mins"
I zoned out, switched from NIN to WAR and re-ran the roulette with "In Progress" checked in. Got instant queue and clicked on confirm, only to realize that I didn't preciselly select the Antitower and what I got was a fresh party... wishing the DPS fell asleep I was cursining myself for the mistake...
Sadly the queue went through and I zoned into Lost City (hard) as a Tank on the fresh party while hating myself... Im just glad I asked them to only wait 2 mins... -
03-12-2016, 05:15 AMMiyhaLoool, even if you had chosen Antitower it's still no guarantee you'll get that group again, no? Prolly figured you got snatched up by another group. ;PQuote:
Originally Posted by Arkenne
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03-12-2016, 08:39 AMSpiritTamer
In a Qarn normal mode today, had a scholar who wouldn't stand on platforms when they had doom on the first boss. Tried again and the tank died. The scholar didn't raise him. Turns out they didn't even have raise on their bar. That is pretty important to have.
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03-12-2016, 11:32 AMBourne_EndeavorThey're trying to teach you how to count. 2 comes before 1 but 3 is always second, right? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by RhaegarFFXIFenrir
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03-12-2016, 12:06 PMRawrz
Do a5s in party finder to get some experience. Be a sch, partnered with a whm. As SCH you're expected to pretty much just dps with minimal burst mitigation or healing during Faust 3.20 . WHM uses non traited virus on the first panzercheck instead of the double one coming up... all while spamming physick because "it has a higher crit rate than cure."
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03-12-2016, 02:03 PMNoxiferYeah... and tbh, I'm so used to people ignoring marks in low dungeons that I haven't been using them at all for the past year or so (unless there are newbies and there are mobs that should die first). I'll just overpower/flash a couple of times, and then focus on whichever mob is dying the fastest (i.e. the one the dps are hitting).Quote:
Originally Posted by Veralidaine
The very few times I've used markings in higher dungeons is if there's a mob that really should die first for some reason. Especially if people in DF have a habit of ignoring or not realizing that (or if there have been wipes because people aren't paying attention over-all). For example, in Qarn normal, I sometimes mark that first stone face thingy, because it annoys me when it runs off ^^; And because Final Sting does less damage the closer the bee is to full hp, so even if it does get Final Sting off while we're smacking the stone, it's not going to take even half my hp ^^;
I concur. What? O.oQuote:
Originally Posted by Rawrz
That Virus thing is something that tends to bug me ^^; If there's a SMN or SCH in the party, and they seem willing to actually use their Virus, it's just frustrating when the BLM or WHM throws their non-traited Virus in as soon as they can. Especially if the target is not a "physical damage output only" enemy.
And as for the Physick... If it hadn't been for the CureII procs, it would just be a flavour thing and nothing else. But... Gah. -
03-12-2016, 02:06 PMAmiaze
Just exited my fifth or so DF round of The Feast and had a friendly message waiting for me at the end. Someone commented that I shouldn't be healing. When I asked what they meant, they said not to come back into PvP as a healer.
Sorry, but when you allow your healers to get stunned and swarmed in front of the spawn point, you're going to die. No ifs, ands or buts.
By far the rudest person I've met in this game so far...and the best part is, their life or death is in my hands. :) I love being a healer. -
03-12-2016, 02:55 PMrjspencer4
Was in lost city of amdapor (hard)as a drk with a whm, blm, and smn
The dps was pretty low and I didn't really mind it until we got second boss and died to the orb. I then noticed that neither of the dps were using any dots, they blamed it on lag. We wiped again to the orb and they left, got a new (and good) blm and bard immediately after. -
03-12-2016, 11:09 PMVidrian
I'm never able to give commendations as DPS in the DF, being so busy with dps'ing i only sometimes check my HP. Than again, I don't always see the need to commend a healer for keeping us alive, or a tank for keeping aggro all the time, because it also kind of is the task you signed up for with that class and in the DF :/ Don't really know how to judge such things
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03-13-2016, 12:07 AMWhiteroom
Yesterday, Trial Roulette, Steps of Faith:
Tank immediately pops a "Get ready to be carried" macro and pulls. Obvious mech don't get explained to the multiple new people in party. We fail.
I explain the mechs and ask for one tank to help me on canons/snares. I also ask for the adds to be pulled to the front of Vishap. The tank who is "Carrying" us blames the new tank for not bringing the adds up, when I ask why he didn't just do it, he claims he was tanking Vishap...
Finally get our derpy tank to stop derping and help me on canons, we clear easily next try.
Oh and our savior tank who was carrying us didn't even know there was a shortcut in there... -
03-13-2016, 12:48 AMaesteval...I know that experience... :-/Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom
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03-13-2016, 02:19 AMArikDimas
I once had a run of Steps if Faith where one of the tanks said don't use the cannons because our dps is better than them, and ignore the adds because the npc allies will take care of them. Me and someone else made sure to be on the cannons the whole time, and when we got to the second dragon killer, the tank went and fired it off before we could snare it. Vishap died not long after that, but still, how do you incorrectly know every mechanic?
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03-13-2016, 04:55 AMGenericMagus
Yesterday, when I was running Labyrinth of the Ancients in order to complete my Warrior of Light tank set (I just needed the tank gauntlets), I came across a PLD who was an afker. While we engaged in battles up to the Bone Dragon, he either remained so far away he wasn't a part of the combat (right near the entrance so he purposely gets himself locked out) and after I called him out, just stood away from everyone inside the room as the gates went up and done nothing, only at last second to Circle of Scorn. OK, maybe he was just busy doing something. Then, we get to the boss, he pops all his defensive cds and, done nothing for the rest of the fight. With the Bone Dragon. Nothing, except auto attack.
After we defeated the Bone Dragon, guess what, the tank gauntlets dropped. I asked politely if he could pass on it, didn't get a response, and I rolled. Turns out he got a 62, I got a 63. I was utterly relieved as my torture was finally over in Labyrinth, and that I beaten a person who afked his way through the run. Next, when we got to Atomos, he ran outside so he could be locked out of doing the boss. I had enough of him, let people know what he was doing and vote kicked him out.
If you're going to afk, roll on loot and do nothing except be a millstone around our necks over other people who want to get in and contribute, you don't deserve to be able to run 24 man content. At all. If I lost my tank roll to him that made me unable to complete the set, this would be a much more negative post because a person who did no effort, got carried and got the reward. -
03-13-2016, 05:03 AMDualblade
A couple days ago I got in a LotA as PLD, things were goin normally. We get to the Bone Dragon, one of my party members remarks that we'll probably die because of too many skeletons. Nother one say "nah" ...then we do, which was pretty funny. Then I DC, not so funny, not helped that my game completely closed because my internet decided to go down for 30 seconds. I get back in for 3 seconds, just in time to seee my dead body get kicked.
Which I laughed it off, till it took four days to get into another one because of over an hour que times and the ones that pop having someone decide "nah, lets not do what I que'd for." -
03-13-2016, 05:24 AMAuxilioThere's really no 'correct' way per se. You give a commendation to someone who did something well, or something nice, or just being a cool person. You define the parameters for yourself(if you want to at all), but ultimately, I feel it's just a simple way of saying you appreciate something they did and do not take it for granted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vidrian
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03-13-2016, 06:17 AMSelliHmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by SaitoHikari
You automatically spawn under one of your party members and they get to use you as a skateboard on the ride down? XD -
03-13-2016, 01:14 PMTorunyaWhen you get used to doing the wrong thing for so long it just feels right.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArikDimas
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03-13-2016, 06:16 PMHyoMinPark
So as of...night before last, I started Alex Midas. Anyways, I needed my drop from A5, so a friend (MNK) and I (BRD) queued for it. I've only ran it maybe two or three times before this, and I was still trying to learn certain aspects of it and really get it down.
Anyways, my friend usually took care of the bombs, and I'd never had to before. He'd explained it to me, but having never tried it, I still wasn't quite sure (I only really learn by doing). Well, we're going through the last boss like usual, and I'm focused on my little rotation I've been working on (and watching my DoTs), and apparently one of the healers was grabbing the bombs (didn't know this). Well another DPS started yelling at me about not doing mechanics and how I needed to do my job and stuff, and my friend spoke up and told him I was still relatively new to Midas and still learning mechanics. This DPS's response was: "Well it's been out three weeks and it isn't hard so that's no excuse." And then continued to yell at me the rest of the raid even though we didn't wipe or anything (yeah some of us died but I don't think that was even from the bombs...not sure though).
I try really hard to be good at any job I'm doing, be it healer, DPS, or tank, and I always try to follow mechanics in dungeons even if myself/the party can survive without doing so. But I have to do a couple runs of dungeons/raids to really get stuff down, and since we kinda just blew through A5-A8 two nights ago, and then I didn't do them again until a few hours ago, I forgot some things. I know if I had handled the bombs and somehow messed them up, I would have gotten yelled at anyways, but it's stuff like this that just makes me not even want to try raids at all. Because people expect everyone to do these things the moment they're released, or they just expect you to know automatically all the mechanics and how to do them.
I know now what to do with bombs, and I told my friend I will just try harder next time, but he still said it was unfair of the other DPS to stand and yell at me when he could have just as easily grabbed bombs too. I know it's better for ranged to do it, but...idk. Just really put me down after I'd been having a good time casually raiding with friends. :(
I'll just keep trying harder. -
03-13-2016, 07:01 PMTorunya</hug>Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
I think a lot of us know exactly what you're talking about. There's no need to put on a such a strong front, some people are just like that unfortunately. Don't dwell on them. Like you I'm also the type of person who learns by making the mistakes first-hand. I vividly remember being yelled at on the first day 3.2 was out, when I attempted Midas NM. Such a delightful experience. The amount of time any content has been available is not what matters, but rather if there is a new player to said content or not. Just because content has been available for a long time does not automatically mean everyone and their mother will know what to do. Such expectations are unreasonable and doesn't correspond with reality.
Hold on to your awesome friend. And I hope life throws you a few lemons to brighten up your day! :> -
03-13-2016, 08:18 PMDrkdays
Was in Midas 2 this week with a friend and I was MT. Before each boss I stopped for a moment to type out short reminders. Things like stack for double lasers and red up purple down. For some reason the OT and a DPS decided to team up on me and type snide comments about how everyone already knows the fights and how I must assume everyone in DF is an idiot. I did not reply but they continued to harrass me the entire time while letting me continue to MT without suggesting some else do it. I would like to note that only two deaths occurred during the duty and both were my own. The first time because the OT (the one bugging me) didn't voke the boss off me after several stacks despite my reminder and the second from ultra flash because I accidentally pressed enter and had wwwwwwwww going on instead of running. They commented that my rude reminding of others had backfired. I was just being helpful, so yes it does seem duty funder has its share of idiots.
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03-13-2016, 11:56 PMNoxifer*grumbles* Everyone's in a place for the first time at some point. And while it's good to understand the basics of mechanics before going into 8-man stuff that's been out a while (whether through a friend's explanation, like you, or through reading/watching explanations), explanations often don't make 100% sense before you see it. And it can take a couple of goes before you feel "comfortable" with how things go. Also, I don't count three weeks as long enough to need to "watch a video". But when going in with mostly strangers, it can be more efficient to at least know the basics. Personally, I prefer to go in blind with friends the first times ^^;Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
As for who does that mechanic... When I go in with my friends, I'm usually the one running to do those bombs, and I'm the OT xD So no, it doesn't have to be a ranged DPS. Of course, when one particular BLM friend is with us, he demands to get that job, so I just jump in to help when there's three of them. I've also heard groups state that it's one of the healer's jobs to do them, but in our group, that doesn't work xD because one of our healers is really, really fond of gorillas, so he'll just be all "OMG OMG LOOK AT ME I'M SO PRETTY" and bounce around in circles.
But yeah, I don't often do Midas with more than one or two randoms ^^;
Had a fun experience with M4 yesterday, actually. Got a co-tank who had no concept of tankswaps. Tried to grab the boss after the first ray+debuff, he wouldn't let me and kept bashing at it. I'd grab it for a second or two, and then his next BB/RoH (forget if it was a WAR or a PLD) landed, and... yeah. He barely survived that time, but the next time... he died. I scrambled to control the situation, but the tank in turn refused to grab it back at the next ray+debuff and preferred to let me die -_-
Well, good thing that was the last of them, because that left me as OT when it comes to sharing damage during the last bit of it. I... definitely wouldn't have trusted him to do the same for me. -
03-14-2016, 02:19 AMWhiteroom
That feeling of getting a tank that doesn't use defensive CD or dodge...
Well, he used one the entire run...
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03-14-2016, 05:47 AMPowe
Did Alex Midas 4 as sch today for the first time, the other healer was an ast, the thing was he refused to do any aoe healing. When I asked him he said he was afraid of pulling from the tank. With me, the thought of pulling boss from the tank by healing never crosses my mind, in the end I was using my cool downs almost every time while he was healing 1 by 1, it ended with abandoning the trial T.T
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03-14-2016, 05:51 AMTheUltimateSephNot saying he was right and I know this happened in PF but related to pulling hate from tanks I ripped hate from the MT in Sephirot ex after two medicas used once after each aoe. Boss turns around immediately and busts me one hit. Everyone was like o_o Some tanks just can't hold hate lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Powe
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03-14-2016, 06:49 AMIronosThe only time you should be wary of pulling aggro in M4 is right after Brute Justice forms. Since it's a new mob and has a new aggro table, an AoE happy healer can easily rip aggro before the tank can establish enmity (Especially that WHM Med2 overheal) but it shouldn't be any more than a couple seconds at most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Powe
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03-14-2016, 08:19 AMHyoMinParkThank you for your words. I know I shouldn't dwell on people like that, but it's difficult not to sometimes. Particularly when I was having a good time and they ruined it. I know I need to not always be in DPS tunnel vision and pay attention to mechanics, but at the same time, I'm still learning. I do want to be good, though, at everything I can be good at. I just have high expectations for myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torunya
My friend said its better if there's a ranged only because a lot of melee are focused on keeping up rotations/buffs and whatnot, but he never said it was a definite rule either. He usually takes care of them, but he was in a DPS off with another DPS, I think. :p I would love to have/be a part of a static, but I'm no professional raider, and I really just want to do raids casually with friends and be able to have a laugh if we start derping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noxifer
But thank you too for your words and advice. ;; I kind of like to know mechanics beforehand just so I don't mess up/get yelled at or kicked by people, but I always say if I'm new or not. I try to do new content with friends that have already done it so that they can explain things to me. :> Since I don't always think to watch videos on stuff like that because I'm eager to progress in-game. -
03-14-2016, 08:46 AMTorunyaYou and me both. q.qQuote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
In all honesty, I can relate to what you're describing. And I would strongly encourage you to seek a static via PF if that's what you're looking for. I stumbled upon a ton of great people after I overcame some "inner demons" and put up a PF seeking a static. It felt like reaching out was all I had to do. Those great people are my good friends today, and we raid frequently together while learning and having a good time. And it feels so fulfilling.
Being at the mercy of high expectations is something I think I will struggle with for the rest of my life though. It's a peeve of mine I'm sure you're familiar with. >.< -
03-14-2016, 09:29 AMSecretCrowdsOn the JP servers, the OT handles the bombs. Tell that group to git gud too since their method isn't the most efficient either.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
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03-14-2016, 09:46 AMAskaRayMy SCH friend handles the bombs. Let's me keep DPSing...Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
though when I'm not with her I usually just wait to see who does them. I don't like to do them. What, just as a bard doesn't mean I don't have buffs or DOTS to manage either?
Hmm.
I mean I WILL do them if no one else does because that way at least I know we won't wipe to stupid stuff. -
03-14-2016, 10:41 AMVele
Ran World of Darkness as BLM, and as always I eyeball the limit break gauge real hard during Cloud of Darkness and see if anyone else uses it when it hits 3 (and someone always does). Well, nobody took it this time, so when those 3 meteors(? stars? I don't even remember what they are anymore) with the barriers came up I immediately slammed down that caster lb3 right in the middle of the arena to wipe out all 3.
Best.
Feeling.
EVER.
A handful of people in Alliance chat expressed regret that they couldn't comm the caster who used that lb3. (Funnily enough I didn't get comms from my actual party.) Despite rolling garbage on the orchestrion roll, I walked out of there feeling like a champ. -
03-15-2016, 11:56 AMMaaizr
me: DRK
ran Ravana EX with a scrub ass PLD who died from Blinding Blade - managed to acquire 3 vuln stacks and popped zero CD's, also refused to pass MT.
proceeds to get salty with me and the healers, like uh??? dumbass, you had several options lol.
healers raise her, she just /sits and is like 'no point in trying, have fun 7-manning hurr hurr'
group proceeds to 7-man :rolleyes:
best part? she was a mentor
https://media.giphy.com/media/1tHzw9PZCB3gY/giphy.gif
"mentor" lol fraud ass.