NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

But they aren't a "lost art" of the Pugilists as you posted earlier. The Pugilists guild in Ul'dah have next to nothing in common with the Monks of Ala Mihgo.



That person's quote was a direct response to your arguing of relatively unimportant semantic differences(incidentally, you misinterpreted his point, by the way). I guess respect points for consistency, but really, that bullish tone of yours still isn't going to be doing you any favors.

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I said "Monk is a lost art". I'm pretty sure they do have much in common because how else did you get the start of the Monk quests. Why would Professor Erik commission a Pug to be his body guard when before his last body guard was Monk if Pug and much didn't have much in common. It's clear that he wants to use the pugs in Uldah to help him on his research because they are linked with Monk in some shape or form.

I replied to the quote if you can't understand that someone brings up a thought, and I reply to it doesn't mean that I believe Thief is worse or better than Rogue. But the way that classes and jobs work, jobs are better than classes.

Using the word evolved instead of saying that Thief and Rogue are one and the same is worth considering. Maybe you do not believe that to be. But as of this moment it is still unclear as to if there are no plans for a Thief Job in this game. Why are you becoming angry at me for bringing up actual information instead of assumptions that people have been throwing around in here?

Because you're not actually bringing up proof is why and using faulty arguments to make a point that nobody is inherently disagreeing with you on. In addition to being the person bringing made up information into the thread.

Lore-wise, Professor Eric commissioned a Pugilist because the Platinum Mirage(I.E. the establishment that acts as the patron/headquarters of the Pugilists Guild) deals in giving groups or individuals hired muscle for a fee. If the Gladiator's Guild was in the business of selling muscle/body guards, the professor could have easily gone there instead. Professor Eric doesn't give three iotas of a crap about the Monk's chakras opening or the Pugilists of Ul'Dah and what have you, and doesn't even conclude that his two assistants(you and the monk) could be useful in leading him to potential sites until a quest or two into the story.

If you want to get down to the nitty gritty, yes, it serves as the lead to take you from Pugilist to Monk in the strict, technical sense as created by the devs, but from a lore perspective, neither are really related.

At this point I'm not even sure what your argument even is. Are you unhappy that Yoshida made a statement that there is no Thieves Guild in the game for the reasons he established? I don't really know what else to say other than "get used to it". That's just how it is. Could THF happen? Assuming the skill set for Rogue doesn't already encompass those we think of as THF abilities/traits, then maybe, maybe not. We don't have enough information either way. But you seem hell bent on saying "I want MY thing!" to that.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

Why would Professor Erik commission a Pug to be his body guard when before his last body guard was Monk if Pug and much didn't have much in common. It's clear that he wants to use the pugs in Uldah to help him on his research because they are linked with Monk in some shape or form.

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The professor don't beliefe in Monk power.
He visit often the casino and the Pugilist guild is part of the casino. The guild sent you to the professor as his bodyguard because he want to do researchs in a dangerous area and his dead would cost the casino some gil.

Yet who sends you to be Professor Eric's body guard? Gagaruna. Who is Gargaruna? The guide master of the Pugilist guide.

This is what Gargaruna saids to you when discussing the situation with Professor Eric.

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#6 Gagaruna
The point is the man must needs be guarded. To that end, I sent a monk of Ala Mhigo to see to his safety, but it turns out the bloody oaf has no work ethic about him─just like an Ala Mhigan.

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If Monk isn't related... how did the guide master send a monk of Ala Mhigo? Gararuna most likey has a connection with Ala Mhigan and might even be one of the people who made it out of Ala Mhigo and traveled to Uldah. In the 1.0 quest many people who survived the attack in Ala Mhigo made Uldah home. One of those very people was Minfilia and her Dad.

During the quest the professor reads the aether readings and uses the Monk to find other areas with a high level of aether.


No, I am not unhappy that there is no Thief Guide. Why? Because I want to play a Thief Job, not a Thief class. Surprisingly, I am not the only one who feels this way.

Just to be clear, I am not even mad. I am discussing the information that we currently have about Rogue class and Ninja by saying that it is still a chance that Thief can branch off of Rogue. People seem to hate that idea and I wonder why. It doesn't cheapen the Ninja Job in any way shape or form.

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Originally Posted by Felis

The professor don't beliefe in Monk power.

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I didn't say he practices Monk, he uses the Monk to find high aether areas because he knows that a Monk is sensitive to large amount of it. His research involves using aetherial readings.

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#13 Erik
Know that my primary endeavor is to reconstruct the military histories of old through the aetherial analysis of ancient battlegrounds.

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He knows the Monk in the quest actively seeks areas like that out.

Discussing possible jobs that branch off of the Rogue class is actually very much on topic and is not griefing. A Thief job seems to fit pretty well if it branched off from Rogue.

If you do not want to discuss possible jobs then you don't need to address posts that are related to it. No need to call names and become angry.

You said that no one cares if I'm mad, however did you forget that you asked if I am unhappy? All I did was answer your question.

When I said there is no confirmation that Thief = Rogue, I was told that in the E3 interview Yoshi P said that. I then said that the actual quote is that "Rogue evolved from Thieves" not "Rogue is Thief." They did not provide actual facts so I replied with the facts.

I wonder how Ninjustu will be. Wonder if it'll have a variety of status effects like target defense down 5%, self-strength up by 5% or something. Maybe it'll be like a melee Bard of sorts? 2.4 really can't come soon enough.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

I didn't say he practices Monk, he uses the Monk to find high aether areas because he knows that a Monk is sensitive to large amount of it. His research involves using aetherial readings.

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No
He had the theory that batlegrounds influence the aether. He studied history battlegrounds from books, send you and the other guy to the places to put a device there, let the device do it's work and then bring it back. This is all want he wanted you to do.
The professor don't used the monk to find the places, the monk used the professor to find the places.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

I wonder how Ninjustu will be. Wonder if it'll have a variety of status effects like target defense down 5%, self-strength up by 5% or something. Maybe it'll be like a melee Bard of sorts? 2.4 really can't come soon enough.

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outside of combat it's most likely going to have scout duties, in dungeons maybe they can scout ahead to disarm traps or trigger mobs and run away..etc.

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Originally Posted by Felis

No
He had the theory that batlegrounds influence the aether. He studied history battlegrounds from books, send you and the other guy to the places to put a device there, let the device do it's work and then bring it back. This is all want he wanted you to do.
The professor don't used the monk to find the places, the monk used the professor to find the places.

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I will reply this last time about anything related to Monk...... because I don't want to get off topic. I was only using Monk as a example of a lost art that is in the game to explain how Thief could turn as a job option for Rogue. Not debate the Monk job quests.

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Its clear that the professor was targeting battle fields because he knew there was a large amount of aether there to research. Monks can sense and use aether and I would be hard press to believe the professor is ignorant of that. Yes, he talked down about the monk and said he doesn't believe in the teachings but thats like me saying I dont believe in meditation, but I am aware that yoga exists and uses meditation.

Quoted from the game:

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#10 Widargelt
I feigned understanding. He asked much of me. Of the monkhood and the Fist. He asked of the seventh chakra.
#11 Widargelt
My answers excited him. He said they would advance his studies. I too learned from him. I am nearer the seventh chakra now.

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They used each other to get what they wanted. Also the Professor is a Ala Mhigan and is aware of the monkhood.

btw battle grounds do not influence the aether. Battlegrounds just have a large amount of aether because a lot of people died there.

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Originally Posted by Dano

outside of combat it's most likely going to have scout duties, in dungeons maybe they can scout ahead to disarm traps or trigger mobs and run away..etc.

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I think that might be slightly imbalanced because that would make them mandatory for some dungeons? Unless they traps are not that severe (do like 1500 damage if taken alone, 250 if taken with all 4)? Probably thinking too high, going disappoint myself with these wild dreams :(