#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by Wildheaven182

No, its more just about outliers like bloodwhetting and perhaps red mage being able to raise 4 or so times in a row with dualcast. I like other classes having more to offer than just dps, and self reliance is important too for solo instances and overworld stuff like fates.
The issue is more just that there should be enough damage output to warrant the use of all the heal bloat, and theres never anything to cleanse anymore. Mana management is gone, and so is aggro management and these were all interactive for healer gameplay.

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Never anything to cleanse? There have been multiple level 90 dungeons where there is a doom or poision that has to be cleansed or someone dies. Dead ends is one, the Lunar Subterare is one. Are you one of those healers that lets someone drop and raise instead. To claim there is nothing to cleanse is false and my biggest complaint on the rare instance I DON'T go in on my healer is the number of healers that don't use Esuna and there is plenty that it will remove..... like doom, or paralyze, or whatever and instead choose to let the person affected drop because of it.

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

I mean no offence in this, but that just sounds like a you problem more than anything. You just seem to not enjoy the DoT gameplay. And yet keep picking up Jobs that do have DoTs and demand for their removal. Why don't you play something without any dots?
For BRD, I never use the refresh both DoTs buttons, I just keep it up. The DoT gameplay is fun for me so I gravitate toward it. You just sound bitter TBH. Also in my entire 6 years of playing this game (mostly on DoT jobs), I was never called out by tryhards or anyone for that matter for dropping a DoT.

My question is: We have more than 20 jobs in this game, why can't they all be distinct from each other so they attract a certain type of player? I love DoTs you hate them, there should be 1 job in the roster for the both of us! Even in the healing department, where we have 4 healers. I agree SGE having multiple DoTs is bad because it doesn't make sense from a job fantasy, however, SCH having multiple Dots makes perfect sense! In a perfect world, we would both have our niche and enjoy it. Healers should be fun in all content, not just the 1%. And that goes for all the jobs! You can give some same-y abilities for mechanics, but diversify the rest of the kit!

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you confuse my "it was annoying" as being bitter? I'm not bitter about anything i found dots to be an annoying thing to manage when other things are already keeping me busy, and my main DPS job is a summoner when I'm not playing sage so yeah, i LOVE the new summoner because its no longer dot mage extrodinare with the biggest RNG proc rotation on the planet. I was told by someone else that I should be upset that there is no double stacked dot on sage, and I was explaining why I don't like it. You've played 6 years, I've played for 10... when I mained summoner in 2.0 I got kicked by try hards for letting dots fall off in what was supposed to be casual content. My IRL husband quit playing all together due to bullying by parsers in 2.0 casual content. So just because YOU haven't experienced the bad side of things doesn't mean it doesn't happen or exist.

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Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight

Never anything to cleanse? There have been multiple level 90 dungeons where there is a doom or poision that has to be cleansed or someone dies. Dead ends is one, the Lunar Subterare is one. Are you one of those healers that lets someone drop and raise instead. To claim there is nothing to cleanse is false and my biggest complaint on the rare instance I DON'T go in on my healer is the number of healers that don't use Esuna and there is plenty that it will remove..... like doom, or paralyze, or whatever and instead choose to let the person affected drop because of it.

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You are using examples from situations where people get a Doom from bad play. Nothing in the Dead Ends gives you Doom if you don't stand in mechanics. Use something like Dun Scaithe that actually applies it as a mechanic, or Exdeath. But even then, the vast majority of content does not.

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Originally Posted by Isala

You are using examples from situations where people get a Doom from bad play. Nothing in the Dead Ends gives you Doom if you don't stand in mechanics. Use something like Dun Scaithe that actually applies it as a mechanic, or Exdeath. But even then, the vast majority of content does not.

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Really? You're going to use the excuse of someone stood in the bad. Holy crap, that's why healers exist for when people are human and screw up to save them from it. And there we have it folks, healers are boring jobs because no one should ever mess up mechanics..... so when pointing out when healers need to use their kits, that doesn't count.

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Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight

you confuse my "it was annoying" as being bitter? I'm not bitter about anything i found dots to be an annoying thing to manage when other things are already keeping me busy, and my main DPS job is a summoner when I'm not playing sage so yeah, i LOVE the new summoner because its no longer dot mage extrodinare with the biggest RNG proc rotation on the planet. I was told by someone else that I should be upset that there is no double stacked dot on sage, and I was explaining why I don't like it. You've played 6 years, I've played for 10... when I mained summoner in 2.0 I got kicked by try hards for letting dots fall off in what was supposed to be casual content. My IRL husband quit playing all together due to bullying by parsers in 2.0 casual content. So just because YOU haven't experienced the bad side of things doesn't mean it doesn't happen or exist.

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I mean, let's be real here. As a ten year vet myself, you probably were being kicked for just being a SMN, you know, for the crime of not being a Flare Mage instead.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonGunner

cause the truth is, if people didn't care at all. this thread would have been ignored and not liked by more then 10 people.

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Pretty sure the OP here is top 10 for most liked threads on the forums. It certainly shows up at the top if you search by page count.

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Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight

Really? You're going to use the excuse of someone stood in the bad. Holy crap, that's why healers exist for when people are human and screw up to save them from it. And there we have it folks, healers are boring jobs because no one should ever mess up mechanics..... so when pointing out when healers need to use their kits, that doesn't count.

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Dropping a single Esuna instead of a Glare does not engaging content make. As someone who regularly plays bard, sometimes the healer doesn't even have to bother with that, as I've already taken care of it.

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Originally Posted by aiqa

And again you're making the same mistake. People not posting in the forums doesn't prove they do or don't support any ideology. You accuse people supporting the strike of making the exact same "mistake" you yourself keep making (just the other way around), again and again: making assumptions about the wider opinions of FF players based on what goes on in the forums. Even after it was pointed out to you. And while people supporting the strike at least have a "it's a bigger thread than most others", you have nothing at all that ties numbers of forum posts to numbers of FF players.

I would have accepted either "I don't think you can extrapolate what goes on in the forum to the wider playerbase" or "I think you can make assumptions about the wider playerbase based on what goes on in the forums". There are things to be said for both, that is why I never got into arguments about the forums being representative or not before. But attacking the strike over it, and then doing the same thing in the same post, is just silly. And doubling down on it, after it was pointed out, is worse.

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And again, you're not listening, And then you double down because instead of trying to listen to what I'm actually trying to say, you like others attempt to twist the narrative because my viewpoint contradicts your own. I have already addressed this.

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Ah, there must be a misunderstanding. I'm not assuming that the only people who share these viewpoints are those that appear in this forum. That would be mathematically impossible. I'm saying that the threads seen here can't be used as a representative to indicate the audience as a whole, because they represent too small of a numerical value to reflect the majority of the audience. Hence, the topics seen here express a very small minority of the gaming audience as a whole. AKA, there is nowhere near enough traffic in this thread to state the feelings expressed here represent how the majority feel within the gaming bloc.

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The point being, the traffic used here represents too miniscule a number to be a determining factor in how the gaming bloc feels. The 0.001% statement was to represent a closer correlation than page traffic but neither ratio is accurate in determining how the gaming bloc feels. Just like how it's not accurate to state your ratio was correct seeing as this thread would largely be viewed by those that contradict my opinion and support the Ops opinion.

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Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight

you confuse my "it was annoying" as being bitter? I'm not bitter about anything i found dots to be an annoying thing to manage when other things are already keeping me busy, and my main DPS job is a summoner when I'm not playing sage so yeah, i LOVE the new summoner because its no longer dot mage extrodinare with the biggest RNG proc rotation on the planet. I was told by someone else that I should be upset that there is no double stacked dot on sage, and I was explaining why I don't like it. You've played 6 years, I've played for 10... when I mained summoner in 2.0 I got kicked by try hards for letting dots fall off in what was supposed to be casual content. My IRL husband quit playing all together due to bullying by parsers in 2.0 casual content. So just because YOU haven't experienced the bad side of things doesn't mean it doesn't happen or exist.

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You're not bitter? All you said was just you being bitter. Also, not to be mean, but we are in 7.0 not 2.0 do you have ANY moment in the current game era where people would do this? Sounds like you are stuck in the past hung up on a moment from 10 years ago. And nowadays this just doesn't happen unless you do the hardest content like Ultimates where every damage and cooldown matters.
Also bullying for a parse is a bannable offence and SE goes hard on those people.

And no I have not confused anything you are bitter over people who enjoyed the Dot gameplay and want it back, you purposely pick up jobs that have Dots and ask for their removal and even celebrate it. What about the people who liked it before and now they have no job to fall back on? You have plenty of DoT-less jobs, but there is no Dot job left.

Just because you played for longer doesn't make my experience and feedback less important.

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Originally Posted by Kozmakis

Thanks for clarifying, I believe that is a fair assumption and agree with you! I can only speak for myself - I support what I believe to be right, even if I am the only one doing it, so numbers don't matter to me. If we are just a small portion, then queues will not be affected, so no need for the drama at all. I will make my decision to change roles - not out of spite, but to have fun playing :)

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Thank you! And I have no problem with those wanting to do the strike to express their concerns, just to be clear. Ultimately it all comes down to differences of opinions on how the game is and there are certain aspects that people won't agree upon, which is perfectly fine. I only wanted to clarify a few things that I was seeing in this thread which was why I responded. I kept seeing things like:


Why are people posting against the values of the Op - To me it was simple, there are posters who disagree with the game needing to be more challenging, that tank migitation need to be reduced, and that dps needed to have their healing removed. I know summoners heal like absolute garbage. I get more HP back from an X-potion than my actual healing spell. The one saving grace we get is our raise if both of the healers go down (which definitely happens often in raids and trials from my experience.) Had the strike been solely about beefing up healer's DPS, I don't think there would be anywhere close to as much pushback from posters.


The regular belittering of those who enjoy more accessible content by some posters - Hence I posted why this is partially why it won't go anywhere. This isn't WoW. That's a Wow logic and the devs wants to maintain it's accessibility for others.


Why there hasn't been much results seen tailoring towards the feedback seen in this forum - Me highlighting the reasons why


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So now that I provided my opinion on why those things were the way they are, I'm ready to bow out of the conversation.



Happy Striking!