Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

Yes he plays 30s of Paeon and 2 sets of Foe's. Yes BRD gets first Goad but that's because he spends the most TP out of anyone, he does keep everyone afloat until their 3rd Invigorate.

DRG wouldn't be able to Doomspike, we don't do the AoE strat and with how we've calculated out our Paeon amount, he'd go out of TP. I reckon that'd be a DPS loss to do but I'm no DRG expert. That is a good point about CT > CT, I'm gonna suggest that to my DRG, less TP intensive and CT would live longer, and sooner Disembowel for BRD too!

LB was experimental that run, but ultimately we've decided we don't want to BLM LB3 on 2 adds (as that's all it would hit) and would rather do LB2 + LB3 on the boss, which has the benefit of skipping a Critical Rip.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

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Doomspike is DPS gain even with only two adds - obviously as TP permits, I would think with even just a single Goad the DRG should have enough TP to do so but yeh - if you've done the maths, also don't forget to Ring of Thorns after Heavy.
You should be able to 100% hit 4 adds with caster LB3 - you kill both adds on one side and you should have LB3 as the 5/6th adds spawn. I don't think you'll get LB3 melee after this though but I think LB3+LB1/2 is still a dps gain over doing it the other way.

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Originally Posted by enil

Doomspike is DPS gain even with only two adds - obviously as TP permits, I would think with even just a single Goad the DRG should have enough TP to do so but yeh - if you've done the maths, also don't forget to Ring of Thorns after Heavy.
You should be able to 100% hit 4 adds with caster LB3 - you kill both adds on one side and you should have LB3 as the 5/6th adds spawn. I don't think you'll get LB3 melee after this though but I think LB3+LB1/2 is still a dps gain over doing it the other way.

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All dead by the spawn of the final 2 adds :)

We noticed if you LB2 in the second Imdagud phase, you get rid of that nasty LB overflow killing the adds gives (IE most regular DPS groups will lose some LB bar when killing the first 2 adds), and you can get LB3 by the end of the fight, so that's our current strat. Still fiddling around with it TBH, if only it were so cut and dry as "BLM LB does more DPS on 2 targets than melee LB does on one;" due to how much DPS you gain while attacking two targets over one, and LBing the boss means you get to the Misery's End/Assasinate portion faster, and the aforementioned skipping of a Critical Rip in that phase, it's got its advantages!

Not promoting this way of LBing as what groups should do BTW, it'd be toxic for 99% of groups if they picked it up as their strategy - it would truly be a black and white DPS loss for them.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

Yep, most leaderboard numbers come from inefficient strategies or slow DPS. T12 is a beautiful example:

Good group: SCH kills the one set of Blackfires with one very efficient Bane, 3 Bennus that get burned down HARD to have virtually no AoE, fight ends immediately after first dodge phase so uptime/downtime ratio is very bad.
Bad/slow/inefficient group: BLM kills two sets of Blackfires, 4 Bennus die slowly and get AoE'd down, fight ends at the end of the 4th fountain so the uptime/downtime ratio is dreamy.

BLM in group A is barely worth the raid slot and isn't too impressive, with a great clear time
BLM in group B is a god and everyone worships him because he's so sick nasty dirty. Bad clear time and bad tactics but that's not important!

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I need to make that my new nickname. Sick nasty dirty

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Originally Posted by Odowla

^^^ this.

You want to look at relative dps - if one person is doing 650 in t11, and everyone else is <500, are you really a god or did you just get a TON of uptime in the last phase cause your teams' dps is slow?

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Odo, T11 is not one of those fights where the DPS is subjective based on last phase up-time like T12/T13 are. Like Yan said earlier T11 is one of the more fair DPS comparisons between groups with different clear times, not totally but it's the one least skewed.

Also Sleigh, me/odowla are in that group that Yan mentioned about speed kills, although we've only really have tried a T10 one, and not that hard considering someone died :p I'll get back to with some parses if you want for next reset when we're gonna try for all turns.

http://gyazo.com/de6786e3e6d4ba041aa6503945cc35fc

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Originally Posted by Nocturcity

Odo, T11 is not one of those fights where the DPS is subjective based on last phase up-time like T12/T13 are. Like Yan said earlier T11 is one of the more fair DPS comparisons between groups with different clear times, not totally but it's the one least skewed.

Also Sleigh, me/odowla are in that group that Yan mentioned about speed kills, although we've only really have tried a T10 one, and not that hard considering someone died :p I'll get back to with some parses if you want for next reset when we're gonna try for all turns.

http://gyazo.com/de6786e3e6d4ba041aa6503945cc35fc

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Sure, I'm always interested in DPS comparisons between groups with clear times near to each other.

Edit: shouldn't make this DRG topic go further OT ... will refrain from asking questions related to that parse for my own safety ...

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Originally Posted by Kuroyasha

I need to make that my new nickname. Sick nasty dirty

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Oh, in case you weren't aware, the term "sicknasty" is the sound effect made when a vigilante medically licensed ninja flips his affordable Japanese sedan into an alley during a hot chase. In case that ever comes up.

Back on topic, though, my group is nowhere near that level of damage and Phlebotomize on mini-guds has largely been a complete waste of TP for me (granted, we don't split DPS, except when we're running with a SMN). If there's a mistake I consistently make, it's thinking my DoTs will pay off when they won't....

I've yet to parse in this game, but have done so in others in the past. Are you guys actually using DPS as a metric instead of total damage done per encounter(e.g. boss fight)?

I only ask because in my experience there are many ways to prop up DPS numbers (duration of the fight, fudging mechanics in certain ways, etc.). Total damage and total uptime are usually what I care about.

Hey Dragoons, I'm pretty much new with this job and I would like to know if this opener I'm going to post, it's optimal or not. And ofc, if there is a better one, share your knowledge! Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VVo6xmJ19A

Your opener is very similar to mine and has a slightly optimised Legsweep cast than mine. The only thing I can say is, by the time your 2nd SSD is up, you may run into the issue where you're split between SSD or Legsweep and one of them will be delayed for a GDC. At least, that's what should happen off the top of my head.