Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

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10-09-2011, 04:52 PM
Neptune

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Once again yoshi-p said that but he said you wont get a lot of exp for your friend killing a high level mob for you which is not happening which is broken so you clam down and learn how to read.

and powerlevel should not be allow your friend should work for it like everyone else that the point of the game to grind to max level for that just delete levels and allow us to do it all.

So you're ok with Yoshi-P being ok with powerleveling as long as its within a certain level range?
10-09-2011, 04:54 PM
Issac

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Originally Posted by Neptune

So you're ok with Yoshi-P being ok with powerleveling as long as its within a certain level range?

Read the thread.

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Originally Posted by Issac

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Originally Posted by Crica

I already addressed this in my post as well.

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Originally Posted by Circa

For something to be exploited, it would have to be used in a way that was not intended by the creator/owner. Yoshi-P is not the creator of FFXIV, but he is the person who decides if something is allowed or not in FFXIV, so he is in charge of if something is being used in a way that was not intended. IF Yoshi-P decided that the current form of PL in FFXIV is being used the way HE intended, then everyone else is free to like or not like Yoshi-P's version of PLing and then choose to PL or not, but that does not mean anyone is exploiting PLing if they choose to PL.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

you should never get 1-50 mad quick even yoshi-p said that people should at least take 3half months to get there first high level.

Please note the above quote. How much direct weight are we giving what Yoshi-P says? Yoshi is the poster-child right now, and Public Relations is a tricky job. Yes he is the producer, but he is also the voice of FFXIV. That's a tough job, to speak to an angry mob on a variety of topics.

So stop using what he said in the live interview as a decree of law. Powerleveling is, in fact, outrageous and broken. It needs to be fixed.
10-09-2011, 04:56 PM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by Neptune

So you're ok with Yoshi-P being ok with powerleveling as long as its within a certain level range?

No i'm not ok with it 100% it broken for powerlevel how he want it but at the end it not a good system you should never get your friend 1-38+ without them doing noting.
10-09-2011, 05:17 PM
Travesty

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Originally Posted by Neptune

Oh, so as you said it has an effect on a certain group of people, you. So in other words the game is broken for you and.. not for everyone? Interesting.

Are you just dense? Is that what this is?

Your argument was that "It's optional and therefore doesn't break the game." My reply was showing you exactly how ridiculous that is. That's like thinking that no matter what they introduce the fundamentals of the game can't be broken. It's an absurd postion to take.

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And about getting rank 50.. don't you think it is rewarding to get a rank 50 no matter if you got PLed or not?

Of course not lol. What's rewarding about having someone else do all your sh*t for you? That's the definition of "not rewarding" for anyone who isn't the laziest idiot in the world.
10-09-2011, 05:21 PM
feint2021

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Originally Posted by Neptune

Oh, so as you said it has an effect on a certain group of people, you. So in other words the game is broken for you and.. not for everyone? Interesting.

You may or may not be a person of integrity but I am pointing out the flaws in what integrity you have. The path of integrity, or hard path, would be taking part in activities that are the opposite of what you are trying to complain about on here. You could put all of your guildleves on 5 stars all the time, but did you? You could not look up videos of dungeons. You could level crafting off of local leves instead of finding one easy recipe to level off of. You could try to solo NMs for gear you want. You could get your linkshell to fight hard monsters in the fringe areas of the game for the fun of it. You may or may not have taken the hard route on any of those options, but my point is that the game is hard if you challenge yourself.. but you have no integrity since you demand that the dev team force your hand.

With that stated.. I'm just trying to get you to see how your flawed integrity is going to try to appeal for changes that will make the game a worse game.

And about getting rank 50.. don't you think it is rewarding to get a rank 50 no matter if you got PLed or not?

I'd like to play a game that's made to be challenging. If not challenging then it should at least be engaging and fun. Sure we could go out and fight mobs 10 ranks higher for the challenge but then that wouldn't be very productive. But with your logic we don't have integrity even though the devs are serving us free ranks on a silver platter.

My original point was that SE continues to make leveling easier and wondering why we even have to level when it's possible to do so with no effort.

To answer your last question....No, it doesn't feel rewarding hitting 50 with ffxiv's way of having a plvl. Every other mmo I've played was more engaging with a plvl (except for being a healer in ffxi).
10-09-2011, 05:28 PM
feint2021

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Originally Posted by Neptune

Dude calm down.. Yoshi-P said powerleveling is needed so friends can help their lower level friends close the gap so they can play together.

I can agree with this to a certain extent. What is really wrong with the current situation is that you can get better XP with one or two rank 50's doing all the work for you. Basically you can just put on auto follow and go afk. There is something terribly wrong with this picture.
10-09-2011, 05:49 PM
Zenaku

Killing a 35 Mob with 7 people in a party around 28-34 the 8th switch to kill a mob so we can go to our party spot. We got 450+ EXP for it without chain now guess how much we would have got with chain? So you all think this is ok? not broken when Yoshi-p himself said you wont get good exp for a high level killing high mobs for you?
10-09-2011, 06:06 PM
Dokuton-Razortaru

Ok Issac lets see some data not just your opinion, list 1 game that went to shit due to power leveling? Here ill name 3 that are doing great with Power-leveling as an option: World of warcraft burning crusade, lich king, cata.... lol i know this is not Wow... but wow has crazy powerleveling that costs real money.. and its doing fine, and has been for years. So my challenge to you ISSAC and co. list 1 Triple A game that went to shit due to power leveling. Yeah you can't can you?

Yoshi there are a few reasons you are seeing alot of people playing again, Mob lv change, Power leveling as an option now, repair changes, chocobos, glowy ifrit weapons/awesome fight. Don't take away any of these... lets keep ffxiv's population building... which is the whole point of rebuild"
10-09-2011, 06:17 PM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by Dokuton-Razortaru

Ok Issac lets see some data not just your opinion, list 1 game that went to shit due to power leveling? Here ill name 3 that are doing great with Power-leveling as an option: World of warcraft burning crusade, lich king, cata.... lol i know this is not Wow... but wow has crazy powerleveling that costs real money.. and its doing fine, and has been for years. So my challenge to you ISSAC and co. list 1 Triple A game that went to shit due to power leveling. Yeah you can't can you?

Yoshi there are a few reasons you are seeing alot of people playing again, Mob lv change, Power leveling as an option now, repair changes, chocobos, glowy ifrit weapons/awesome fight. Don't take away any of these... lets keep ffxiv's population building... which is the whole point of rebuild"

Once again he did not want people to get 500-1k for someone killing a high level mob it's broken and there a lot of people who don't want it. The reason anyone want to get 50 is due to all the nice stuff at the end they got 50 do it and then quit and then what? before it took less then 2week to get 50 being casual about 1month and half that no where as bad. Even in wow if someone run you in dungeon you don't get full EXP for them killing the mob so please it's not about opinion it's about fact that this type of powerlevel would kill the game.
10-09-2011, 06:20 PM
Travesty

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Originally Posted by Dokuton-Razortaru

Ok Issac lets see some data not just your opinion, list 1 game that went to shit due to power leveling? Here ill name 3 that are doing great with Power-leveling as an option: World of warcraft burning crusade, lich king, cata.... lol i know this is not Wow... but wow has crazy powerleveling that costs real money.. and its doing fine, and has been for years. So my challenge to you ISSAC and co. list 1 Triple A game that went to shit due to power leveling. Yeah you can't can you?

You know why he won't be able to name them? Cause developers are typically not dumb enough to create a method where someone can reach the cap in a matter of hours, particularly as early in the life of the game as FFXIV is. It might be possible to get there pretty fast in WoW now, but it's an extremely well established, old game, with a huge majority of casual players. The situations are very different.

Now I'll ask you a question. List 1 MMO period with power leveling as extreme as is possible in XIV now. WoW's is not.

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