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Originally Posted by Lerris

So, you've seen the code?

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Yes, I saw it when I went shopping for clothes in the Matrix.

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Originally Posted by Takahime

Everything about this smells of a rush job, and I dont blame them, but they should consider not keeping it this way. If an archer or ranger wants to attack, they have to still input every single command and the battle blueprints stated they wanted to move away from that. Melee Auto Attack for a Ranged class isnt the answer.

Regarding movement, there are a number of ways to code in restrictions for movement and auto attack, the same restrictions to movement that would apply to Melee should apply to all.


Fine, I get that you and dozens of others here are so desperate to stop Ranged Auto Attack for some stupid reason. But think for a minute, do you really want this game to expand its player base? Do you think it will attract new players if this design garbage still persists with a new design team? Do you want to see them close the doors on this game because they keep taking the easy way out and players move on?

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melee AA range doesnt give you any advantage, the monster has to be close to you, me walking a way while stabbing or punching is not a position of advantage. Being able to shoot while running when you have the same or greater movement speed than the enemy is a position of advantage, its not a coding issue, its a balance issue.

As far as appealing to people archer is fast becoming a very popular job, and its not just the parse, most people dont parse. I think ranger as it is appeals to many people. Keep in mind that while you want ranged auto attack, a lot of people do not, im not saying your opinion has no value, but i dont think that ranged AA is going to expand or decrease their player base greatly.

I just dont see how its a rush job, they are going to have to add some new animations for ranger up close, maybe add some new weapon, that some how looks right with a bow in your hand, i dont even know how they will do that. they are probably going to have to spend the same time/money on ranged AA as on archer melee AA if not more. Its also possible they will be using the lack of long range AA to balance archers safe dps. Whatever changes they plan for archer may in fact need reworking or suck, but not getting AA with what we currently know about it makes sense.

I believe they dealt with the Ranged AA issue in FFXI as well. They ended up deciding that, because rangers fired off bullets/arrows that cost gil, they wanted to give them more control.

Likely that they came to the same conclusion.

I'm more worried about the DOM auto attack. Hopefully the spice up the animation a little, never liked the invisible dart throwing.

It is possible that the Development Team is taking a page from Marauders, in that they could utilize Stances to automatically switch on and off auto-attack.

Excuse me while I talk off the top of my head here.

Archers (and Musketeers) could have an ability called "Sniper Stance" which triggers when no hostile enemies are within melee radius of them. When that condition is true, their auto-attack switches off. They could probably throw in some other benefit, like some sort of TP gain or enmity reduction, but I won't go into that, because I'm just brainstorming right now.

You guys can whine and insult each other all you want, I've yet to see a single one of you provide a good reason for having ranged auto-attack. Then again I have to keep in mind which forum I'm posting in. Almost feels like I'm on a radical christian forum by the types of crazy narrow minded posts I've been reading.

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Originally Posted by elreed

First of all ive known archers that really suck at their role, you must be one, why i use multishot and trifurcate a lot?, let me tell you is very simple really I DO MORE DAMAGE THAN DOING WEAPON SKILLS, hows that? well if you have done any NM you should know by now that while a ws best used with buffs and all does less damage than a well buffed multishot *3, with dodore for example i can make a well buffed ws of 270 even 400+ (in rare occasions) damage and with multishot ive done 210+ each shot periodically (190-250), i use ws on battle regimens or do multishot for battle regimens depending on the situation (defense debuff or incapacitation move) not every 5 min just as needed, i dont know about you but most of the time im doing more damage than anyone else in the party one thing you should try as DD all the time, i change arrows depending the NM we are fighting too.

The reason why i dont like auto attack on archers is because as it is now it works great, its not old gameplay i can actually take decisions in the middle of the fight, and take my own pace.

And yes he can be spamming a lot of skills before using light shots (heavy shots are not worth the stamina and are not stackable so i use that rarely), if you have ranked up several classes you should have buffing skills in your bars, and btw i gain a lot of TP in NM's fights and get most of the times criticals, i dunno if you dont have good accuracy or use low level arrows but you shouldnt need to use that much light shots with or without multishot to get enough TP, at better damage better TP you get check it out if you dont believe me.

You shouldnt make fun of people who hasnt the rank at 50 they might be playing better than you're doing now im a rank 50 archer and since rank 30 the job has most of the abbilities used at 50, im glad we didnt got dragged into AA would make bad players things easier.

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If you can only manage 270 WS damage on Dodore with rare 400s then you're clearly doing it wrong. Not me, you. My record is closer to 2000 with a fully buffed Quick Nock.

You don't get to count your entire Multi Shot buff damage as damage because during the time and stamina you've spent fully buffing up your Multi Shot for 600 I've done 4 light shots for 400 and still have my buffs which will make my WS do 1000 instead of 500 or 2000 instead of 1000 in the case of Quick Nock.

You're doing it all wrong if you're relying on Multi Shot for damage mid-fight.

Trifurcate on the other hand is instant nocked arrows. It should be used every time it's up with a Raging Strike at the top of a lights regimen to max its potential (and ensure your team gets that regimen to stick).

I could 100% guarantee that if you were on Wutai and given the opportunity that I would out-damage you on Dodore or any NM. I've been a 50 ARC since January, I know its stengths and weaknesses when it comes to maximising damage.

You're probably one of those ARCs who keep spamming Bloodletter and over-writing the debuff that's already on the mob meaning you never get that -500 when it wears off. Of course you'll deny it.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

You guys can whine and insult each other all you want, I've yet to see a single one of you provide a good reason for having ranged auto-attack. Then again I have to keep in mind which forum I'm posting in. Almost feels like I'm on a radical christian forum by the types of crazy narrow minded posts I've been reading.

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Auto attack isn't needed for any class if we use your narrow minded view that no reason is ever good enough. Clearly, auto attack is something many people have requested and that's a good enough reason for its implementation to most people. If it's not good enough for you then get back to that radical Christian forum.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

If you can only manage 270 WS damage on Dodore with rare 400s then you're clearly doing it wrong. Not me, you. My record is closer to 2000 with a fully buffed Quick Nock.

You don't get to count your entire Multi Shot buff damage as damage because during the time and stamina you've spent fully buffing up your Multi Shot for 600 I've done 4 light shots for 400 and still have my buffes which will make my WS do 1000 instead of 500 or 2000 instead of 1000 in the case of Quick Nock.

You're doing it all wrong if you're relying on Multi Shot for damage mid-fight.

Trifurcate on the other hand is instant nocked arrows. It should be used every time it's up with a Raging Strike at the top of a lights regimen to max its potential (and ensure your team gets that regimen to stick).

I could 100% guarantee that if you were on Wutai and given the opportunity that I would out-damage you on Dodore or any NM. I've been a 50 ARC since January, I know its stengths and weaknesses when it comes to maximising damage.

You're probably one of those ARCs who keep spamming Bloodletter and over-writing the debuff that's already on the mob meaning you never get that -500 when it wears off. Of course you'll deny it.

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Aw yeah you show that guy your massive FFXIV e-peen. Mad respect dog.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Aw yeah you show that guy your massive FFXIV e-peen. Mad respect dog.

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Np. The chicks love my massive e-peen. The boys too.

So it was just confirmed that Casters get melee only Auto Attack. Still feel like its good design, or more garbage down the chute?

Dont push ranged classes into melee range.
Dont leave any battle classes out of their appropriate auto attack.

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Originally Posted by Takahime

Dont push ranged classes into melee range.

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I don't think they're doing that per se, they're just not giving archers the same convenience. I don't think there's anything in these changes that would actually *encourage* a ranged attacker to close distance.