Block first timers from Party Finder!

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

I don't, I think the player base would vanish, I think they would get sick of it and just leave the game.

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And this would be bad?

I have no issues with leechers quitting the game because they can't leech anymore.

The opposite is the case. It would be a gain for the overall health of PUGs.

Yes. Some would be still there because they got carried by FC/friends/others or just bought a kill.

But people that still want to do it would put more weight into it and learning parties would get more popular and more sucessfull.

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

The opposite is the case. It would be a gain for the overall health of PUGs.
But people that still want to do it would put more weight into it and learning parties would get more popular and more sucessfull.

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Which is good, I'm tired of first day only learning groups, due to personal drama I hadto get a new account due to a new PSN ID. I'm having to start over and by the time i get to new content it isn't new anymore and "learning parties" is old news.

I think more options to balance out Farm Parties, Learning parties is a good thing. Party finder is bare bones, and people just join randomly makes it hard to really set up communication, or really form like minded groups.

I wonder what would JP players think of this idea.

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Originally Posted by Naliee

I wonder what would JP players think of this idea.

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Taking into account their culture I kinda doubt this is as big of an issue. Theres an air of politeness and openess about japanese culture when it comes to a game like this. As has been said many time in the thread, if someone is nice enough to ask then alot of the time a farm group will allow one person in as long as they say they will stay to help farm for awhile. I would be willing to bet that there isnt the kind of subterfuge that happens on our side of the equation. It's not helping new people that is frustrating, honestly that can be very fulfilling, it's when someone out right lies to get something they want. That is the frustrating part of it.

This option isnt about segregating the populace. It's about putting in place clear lines of communication. Even if the box was checked, someone could still /tell the leader and ask if it was alright. If I was a leader and the group said that was fine then they would still be able to join the group.

Not saying this doesn't happen on the japanese side, but I'd be willing to bet that it's not nearly as big of an issue.

So in conclusion, I think the Japanese players base would look at this as a sorta "why do we need this" sort of mindset.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

sure new players might beat them few times get lucky and end up joining the fight still even with rules set its not gonna change a damn thing they still die and it aint changing a damn thing cause they aren't first timers anymore are they and you still will lose.

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This is an interesting little quote, so let's analyze. What your saying here is that even if someone clears a fight then they might not know it. That statement is a truth. I won't even fight you on that.

However, your painting in very broad strokes here. Thats like saying that water can kill you and pointing out that noone should drink it. The first is a solid truth, however you application of it is incorrect. Most people who have a clear at the very least have a basic understanding of the fight. This is much easier to work with than someone walking into it with no experience at all.

You can read the second paragraph of this same post to sort out the rest of your argument.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

Ya know, I'm thinking now that if people are caught lying through their keyboard about their progress SE should respond by permanently banning their account w/o appeal.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

I'm not sure there's any other solution but that.

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...Wait. You're saying that in a thread proposing another solution. Really, now? O.o

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

once people start using that option to exclude the very same people who asked for it and they cannot win a single fight because they are with all the new players they locked out from the start what then?

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What? If you haven't cleared it (and thus proven you can win a fight), you wouldn't be able to use the option for that particular fight. And I'm fairly sure the majority of people approving of this either are the kind of person who enjoys beating things as early as possible (going into new content the same day it's released, etc, when everyone is new) or the kind who wouldn't want to be carried in the first place anyway.
No, I'm not saying everyone supporting this suggestion are of that mind, but I know I am and I'm fairly certain of at least a couple of people in this thread.

Yes, people having won it once -- by accident, learning or buying a clear -- would be able to circumvent it, but I would like to claim that those people are a very small minority of the problem at hand.

Yes, the option would quite possibly increase the amount of clear sells, which is a bad thing. But on the other hand, it would also quite possibly increase the amount of practice/clear parties.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

Plus this thread causes drama, it should be abolished.

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Um... You're causing a lot of said drama all on your own. It's not necessarily the fault of the thread.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

First people say don't look at TITLE clearly its wrong people say, so first thing its miss leading, secondly, if you've done the fight you're not a first timer and still will mess up the fight regardless of the rules being set and farm up things its not going to work.

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Well let me say first, that this has been addressed in the first post of the thread and throughout it. It has been petitioned several times for a change, but with no result. So, there's really not alot to be done about it unless somebody decides to change it.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

First people say don't look at TITLE clearly its wrong people say, so first thing its miss leading, secondly, if you've done the fight you're not a first timer and still will mess up the fight regardless of the rules being set and farm up things its not going to work.

You aren't a first timer and of course people are going to pay for a rush and still going to mess up the runs that is my point.

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Of course this is going to happen, but as I said in my last post, your painting with broad strokes here. A much smaller percentage than people seem to think buy their way through fights. It's not a valid option for alot of people due to sheer cost. This option would still filter out some of the chaff though. Otherwise, we have to go 100% on someones word which simply does not work.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

People come on here chewing others out because they say they don't like the idea or the idea wont work and here you come harassing me saying I am causing drama well you're wrong.
its harassment.

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Actually some of us are just having a friendly debate by countering points made by people coming into the thread... which are generally met with no replies or met with generic anger and misunderstanding. It seems you enjoy painting others with broad strokes.

Zeonx, the only person causing drama in this thread is you. Threads will get debate and clashing opinions no matter what, because it's the Forums. Stop trying to get this thread locked just because you don't agree with it.

Your points state you don't understand the thread at all so please read it again or go elsewhere. It's not just about players being good, bad, wiping, or not wiping the party. Its about people misusing farm parties to get their clear and thinking that's okay.

Oh, by bringing up the title you've proved you clearly haven't read the thread. I apologised multiple times and requested to have it changed multiple times.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

So what you're saying is the people who don't agree shouldn't post in the topic and that the ones who don't agree are causing drama?

Whats the point of the topic then if you can't speak your mind about it?

Seriously even though its a useless option that just wont work, so you hate the people who speak up against it really????

so everyone should be ok with that right in your opinion?

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Over dramatic much? I don't 'hate' people who disagree with the thread but quite frankly I haven't seen ONE valid reason this can't be implemented other than people whining because they can't get a free clear or people who can't read the thread.

Plus yes, you are causing drama by saying this thread should be locked when there's absolutely no reason to other than the fact you don't agree with it. You're allowed an opinion but don't try to lock my thread out of spite.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

So what you're saying is the people who don't agree shouldn't post in the topic and that the ones who don't agree are causing drama?

Whats the point of the topic then if you can't speak your mind about it?

Seriously even though its a useless option that just wont work, so you hate the people who speak up against it really????

so everyone should be ok with that right in your opinion?

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Disagreeing and posting valid reasons is one thing, disagreeing, spouting drama, ignoring entirely vaild and undebateble points, and crying for topic close is another. Also spouting falsehoods like it being useless. You aren't debating anything.

also:
http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-06-07

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

are you harassing me?

Cause I am pretty sure you are since you've been following me around on forums, because I have a difference of opinion about a option.

Though you are only saying this cause you've been following me around on each thread.

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Um, no. No I'm not. If I happen to end up in the same threads you do from time to time, it is not because I'm following you, it's because the topic of said thread is something that interests me as well. And I'm looking at the posts you've made in THIS thread, not whatever you may have posted elsewhere.

Your posts in this thread have tended to be... well, quite dramatic and over-the-top, and then you state that the thread is causing drama, when I've seen maybe two or possibly three people in this thread making posts that could be included in that. And like people have said (several times), yes the title is slightly misleading, but the first post explains what the OP wants, and has added in an edit since a long time ago that they know the title is misleading and that they didn't mean it that way.

If people come into this thread just from looking at the thread title and don't read the first post and then "bring drama"... TBH, I'm placing the blame for that at the drama-bringers' feet, since it's only reasonable to read the initial post before responding.

Clickbaity? Yes, but I'd say not on purpose.