Locked out of the Duty Finder.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Have you played a game that has this system in place? Well I have and it works great.

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Work great for whom? For you while everyone else gets screwed. So much seeing the tree and missing the forest. How about everyone be nice and have the common sense and common courtesy to do everything within your power to be able to click commence when it pops? Why is this such a hard concept.

Instead of trying to be greedy, always taking from everyone else, how about doing something for the common good, for the good of the community and all the other players out there.

everyone needs to just stop arguing with NyarukoW, it's obvious that he/she has a case of "I'm right, you're wrong and I'm not listening" syndrome going on. think about it, he/she has gone as far as to call anyone arguing against this ridiculous collective punishment as greedy.

people should just come up with suggestions as alternatives for this.
my suggestion is to put it back to the way it was before where nobody queueing up could see the progress at all.
they couldnt even tell if they were getting into a in progress dungeon or a fresh one.
I truly believe this would get rid of most of the trolls since most of them to begin with were impatient players trying to get a last boss on duty roulette

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

everyone needs to just stop arguing with NyarukoW, it's obvious that he/she has a case of "I'm right, you're wrong and I'm not listening" syndrome going on. think about it, he/she has gone as far as to call anyone arguing against this ridiculous collective punishment as greedy.

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It's because people miss the point she's making with that. Stop and think for a second:

Queuing for CT or ST or certain other trials, have you noticed significantly less "player has withdrawn" spam? If you say yes, the system is working as intended. If you say no, your server cluster has never had a problem and you likely only play Healer and/or Tank which are usually the culprits of said withdrawn spam (DPS has insanely long queues, rarely would you find them the ones spamming withdraw when they would have to requeue for ANOTHER 20-130min+.)

So her point isn't so much that people are "greedy", it's the fact that OVERALL, this change did more good than harm.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

It's because people miss the point she's making with that. Stop and think for a second:

Queuing for CT or ST or certain other trials, have you noticed significantly less "player has withdrawn" spam? If you say yes, the system is working as intended. If you say no, your server cluster has never had a problem and you likely only play Healer and/or Tank which are usually the culprits of said withdrawn spam (DPS has insanely long queues, rarely would you find them the ones spamming withdraw when they would have to requeue for ANOTHER 20-130min+.)

So her point isn't so much that people are "greedy", it's the fact that OVERALL, this change did more good than harm.

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Seems about the same to me, CT is usually 22-23 waiting for that one guy to click that is afk. This happens a few times before it goes through nothing has really changed. So the changes didn't really do much but punish players who happen to go afk, get a drink or went to the bathroom ect.

Many people have posted better alternatives to the system that was implemented. As in not showing in progress runs, letting the queue go through with everyone that clicked ect.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

So her point isn't so much that people are "greedy", it's the fact that OVERALL, this change did more good than harm.

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and many of us disagree with this. it isn't a fact that it did more good than harm when it hurts players and will not help the community. it will not help the community as a whole if it causes players to have animosity toward eachother which this will do in a game like FFXIV:ARR.

this change would not have been necessary if they had not added the progress to the duty card. that is what started the major problem to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Seems about the same to me, CT is usually 22-23 waiting for that one guy to click that is afk. This happens a few times before it goes through nothing has really changed. So the changes didn't really do much but punish players who happen to go afk, get a drink or went to the bathroom ect.

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then there is this.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

letting the queue go through with everyone that clicked ect.

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this is the best alternative I think I have seen besides putting things back to not showing progress

Throwing my lot in: as a DPS, it takes SO LONG for a queue to pop, that the likelyhood of me being there for the exact instant it finally pops is rather slim. I'm not gonna refrain from getting a drink, grabbing food, answering the door, using the bathroom, etc for an hour and a half just to watch for a queue pop. So the penalty is just adding insult to injury when you miss it and get locked out from even requeuing for ANOTHER half hour. Heck, one time I couldn't accept because I got into an unskippable cutscene right before it popped.

The NON-COMPLETELY-ABSURD method of dealing with fishing is to just remove the status of what you're queuing into so noone knows until they accept.

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Originally Posted by Ryndael

The NON-COMPLETELY-ABSURD method of dealing with fishing is to just remove the status of what you're queuing into so noone knows until they accept.

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totally agree with this

What I see a lot of in this thread is people trying to rationalize why whatever it was they were doing is somehow more important/worthy of consideration than the 3, 7 or 23 people who have been waiting patiently to get into an instance. They're attempting to justify why they should be entitled to make all of those people wait on them without any sort of repercussion.

You wouldn't call up your boss and ask them to start the meeting five minutes late because well you stopped at Starbucks on the way to work and how were you supposed to know there would be a long line, would you? I certainly hope not. This is the same principle. When you sign up to participate in a group activity, it is your responsibility to make sure that you are ready to take part when the time comes. If you aren't, then you should be prepared to accept whatever the decided penalty for being late or missing out is, especially if it is your fault due to poor planning. Simple as that.

Except the timeout for them is 45 seconds. If that's such a downer, then SE can lower that too for all I care. 30 seconds difference or so doesn't help anyway when people show up at the door as it pops, or with long unskippable cutscenes, etc.

But, hey, guess what- even with the current penalty, they're still waiting! So your point is totally moot. Not that it's an 'us vs them' issue to start with. The issue is the logical fallacy that SE created by trying to fix a simple problem with a complex, yet very poorly-constructed bandage.

The thing is...how frequently do you miss a DF queue in the span of 24 hours (out of maybe, the 6-7 hours a an average sub plays) because of outside reasons?.

If you miss a queue once, then this isn't hurting you, not one bit. In the case of hunts, you'd have to be in a party anyway to get a reasonable amount of credit, meaning you'd need to drop out of DF. Now if it punished you for missing the queue the first time, that'd be an issue. I personally wouldn't even do 3 or 4 star crafting unless I know nothing is going to interrupt me (which means no DF, my personal needs are taken care of, etc etc)

Another thing someone suggested is that the party would start up with only 3/7...now the problem is that if you're missing an essential class, you're gonna be thrown into a instance lacking a tank or healer (which is mostly the case when it comes to these sort of queues)...nor can you expect everyone to be overgearred to make up for that loss.