Post Your Solution For Gil Generation

I wish every item wasn't obtainable by questing. Require people to actually buy stuff from the market boards. I have been able to quest all the crafted gear so far. It is disheartening to keep crafting for myself and knowing I already have it. Sure I can spiritbond and make materia like crazy and I have but I would like crafted gear to be just that....gear that is crafted and sold by crafters not bought and quested.

Farm crafting items while making level III materia. Easiest way. I've made 650k gil in 3 days.
Sure it takes some time each day, but it's worth it. Especially right now when people are
paying crazy prices for stuff.

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Originally Posted by Phogg

If you can only manage to gain 3k gil from 6 Leves, you are doing it wrong. I can get 5k from one.

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I did not specify battle leves. I have editted the post to avoid confusion.

i have made 30k gil in 4 days just selling loot from combat.

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Originally Posted by Swishytail

Farm crafting items while making level III materia. Easiest way. I've made 650k gil in 3 days.
Sure it takes some time each day, but it's worth it. Especially right now when people are
paying crazy prices for stuff.

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In B4 "OMG U DON'T UNDERSTAND TEH PROBLEM!!!one1"


Honstly, with crafters making money hand over fist from leves, why do DoW/DoM players have to have their own Gil mint? I have personally generated over 102K net new gil. My highest level class is 34, and I have stacks of Alghan still in the inventory that I have not sold. The proceeds of everything I have ever sold on the market is either in my FC vault or in my retainers' pockets waiting to be transferred to the FC for our house fund. Every gil I have kept for myself has been either a gil reward from a quest, hest, or (the lion's share) from crafting leves.

Have you seen the number of crafters out there? You can't swing a lalafel by the ankle without hitting half a dozen of them in any guild or market in Eorzea. I think it's safe to say that the amount of cash coming into the economy is healthy enough.

None of the end game players in my FC are having cashflow problems - Rather than sitting with their thumbs in their asses while they are waiting 40 minutes for their full-group instance to spawn, they farm - either crafting materials from killing mobs, or materia from soulbonding whites, which they turn around and sell to CRAFTERs on the market. The crafters in turn buy those crafting materials and use them for leves to generate brand new shiny gil.

Everyone's been trying to make real world economic comparisons, but everyone seems to forget that not everyone has a US Bureau of Engraving and Printing press in their basement. *Everyone* doesn't have to make new gil, so long as enough are doing it to sustain the economy. If you don't want to take a step closer to the fountain, you can hardly complain that you are thirsty.

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Originally Posted by Myrdyn_Wyldt

None of the end game players in my FC are having cashflow problems - Rather than sitting with their thumbs in their asses while they are waiting 40 minutes for their full-group instance to spawn, they farm - either crafting materials from killing mobs, or materia from soulbonding whites, which they turn around and sell to CRAFTERs on the market. The crafters in turn buy those crafting materials and use them for leves to generate brand new shiny gil.

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^ That. And not to say I haven't quested or anything to produce my own gil, either. Trust me, I did many, many, many quests. I've completely drained all
the Thanalan areas, Coerthas, and Mor Dhona. I've used all my leves as well. It's all about the effort and time you are willing to put in.

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Originally Posted by Orsnoire

TL;DR: the fact that there is serious deflation going on in the game right now should be causing alarm, since people only recently completed the ginormous gil fountain that is the primary story questline. If it's not alarming to you, you don't understand macroeconomic principles, plain and simple.

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I've spent most of the my time in the markets recently and I've seen no deflation. Prices go down AND up based on time of day and demand. I've seen Fleece for 499 then 899 then 599. It goes all over the place. Materia, on my server had been completely stable at around 80-90k for a IV and 20kish for a III. Very little change. Many materials are practically sold out and prices go through the roof until supply is met. HQ Aldegoat Horns were 20k the other day and only 2 in stock!! Finally more came in at 2k each but I bought them last week for 500 gil each. That is not "deflation".
There are too many variables to straight up claim 'deflation'. More crafters and gatherers are entering the market each day as they level with more materials causing more supply and not necessarily more demand. That alone would cause most prices to drop.
You say "money supply is decreasing - look an item that was 100 is now 50!!" But all you're doing is finding an example to fit your theory. That's backwards. Revenue across all total players from leves/fates/etc looks fine to me. I don't see any evidence to the contrary.

I generate gil by soulbinding gear, producing Tier 3 materia, and selling it on the market at 65k/ea.


On a more serious note, I know T3 materia is required for pushing your Relic quest, but I've got nothing but amused disdain for people who are using that choke point to separate new players from the entirety of their gil stash. I get why you do it; you've got a controlled resource that acts as an endgame gate and you're charging all the market will bear.

But damned if I don't find it to be an obnoxious practice.

Some people just aren't willing to put time in to farm or craft. Which is fine, if that's not your thing then don't do it.

But the fact is right now there really is not a super easy way to quest for gil. There won't be until they add dailies
in patch 2.1. Even then, there's no comfirmation on how much gil is going to be awarded for them, or how they
are going to work exactly.

In the meantime, I continue to farm Fleece while waiting in ques while making materia. I know FATEs aren't exactly
a ton of gil, but with how fast they go in Coerthas it's an option. Albeit a slower one, but it's there. I believe you
get 95g or so per? I could be mistaken.

Selling things that are worth something.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

currently now the best way to get gil without selling items to others is Leve 45 to 49 Gathering quests

The +25% bonus boost to gathering leve reward from the level 45 to 49 leves easily provides 800 gil to 1000 gil per leve.

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How do you get this bonus? I am thinking about lvling a gathering class and I wonder if this is worth it.

I don't understand your fixation on gil creation. Maintaining the balance of gil in the game is SE's worry, not mine. As long as I have the gil I need, I see no need to care whether it was created de novo by the game or it was obtained from another player.

Make dark matter obtained from gathering again.
Allow us to "seek repairs" from fellow players like we could in 1.0
Give incentive to do low lvl dungeons (gil reward for vets)
Up the prices stuff NPCs for.. Like 90% of items NPC for only 1gil.. that's ridiculous!

With the repair costs slashed, I don't think now is the time to go crazy with more gil generation. Lets see how this shakes out.

Also, this is FF14, not WoW. Just because you were a single class in WoW and you ran dailies for gold doesn't mean that's what we should be doing in this game. Doing HQ tradecraft leves for $ is a perfectly acceptable answer. You can earn thousands for a single leve at higher levels for the multi-turn in ones.

"But I don't wanna craft!" Too bad. You can be broke and ride the chocobo everywhere. Its a huge part of the game and this game makes it almost mandatory to participate in, seemingly. The leves are a big reason why.

(stupid 1000 text limit)

This is a different game. Do not be surprised that you have to play it differently. I would feel bad if SE capitulated to the whining when in-game solutions are present. They are trying to create a more involved economy where crafting has actual use all game long, even if the crafted gear isn't raid worthy and Bind on Create like other games have done to incentivize it.

Give us a level 50 levemete and make them give allagan coins for the random rewards instead of gear.

Every mob from a dungeon has a chance of dropping Allagans Bronze or Silver? That way more people will do Raids since FATEs dont really give a good amount of Gil.

That or have more Leves give more Allagans.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

Making your gil work for you

We can certainly understand that teleportation costs make it difficult to manage your gil and that the cost of living can be high in general. The other day the team decreased the repair cost and price for dark matter (as covered in Camate's post) but we'll continue to look into adjusting income expenses in an effort to continually balance the economy.

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Here's a suggestion, make some more daily quests with some decent Gil rewards. (Most current quests only yield a decent amount of exp)
And no exp at level 50 will solve my repair bills after a few dungon runs etc.

With daily quests i mean something like Guildleves but even-out their rewards better. 50/50 = exp/gil. (or optional)
Even the RMT's have to work to earn their rewards. (Equality for both parts)

I'd find a mining/botanist leve for 10k gil reward everyday just to save up for my house.
but at current state, nothing on the marketwards is even worth an effort of gathering & selling in chunks.
The amount of time spent on gathering dosent make of up the effort. (Just as an example)

Last suggestion, adjust the NPC price offers to a decent amount,
1-20gil for a HQ goldsmith hammer make me wanna flip off the NPC. >.<
(I hate to say it but 1.0 NPC's offered better gil...lol)
I mean...it's like we ended up the world of "Gath's Gil", where everything is 1 gil.

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Lol at thinking gathering and crafting will actually make you much money. Most gathered items are now worthless the crafted items are pretty worthless as well. You will constantly have to spend Gil repairing your gear at an NPC or by buying dark matter. Then there's the crystals involved and the mats so that's a constant amount of gathering which in turn means more gear needs repairing. Even crafting yourself new gear when an item goes to 0% isn't worth doing as this will just add to the expense. Most time doing dungeon runs I will just wear the bare minimum in the low end dungeons and use the gear drops from there and NPC it afterwards so I don't lose out on money.

One solution to making money I guess would be to spam low level dungeons with minimal gear and sell whatever drops can get and allagan pieces or run high end dungeons save up the tomestones and buy the crafting items that are needed for two star crafts as these go for 80k+. Another thing I am trying out is crafting militia gear then spirit bonding it just for the tier 4 material as this sells for a fairly good amount of Gil.

They need to just increase the gil drop for killing mobs. 1 gil per mob level, double it for 4man bosses and quad it for 8man bosses. Then divide the total by the amount of players in group.

Problem Solved.

You guys have not factor higher level trade levequest offer more gils. We have tons of lvl 50 battle class player but how many lvl 50 crafter you see around? Once the crafters reach that level, the gil generation in the system is going to be much more balance than now.

and yes, the battle class will need to be able to sell crafter something. Making dungeon gears sellable is a good way to fix this.

double the estimated average repair bill as a gil reward for completing instances

Better leve payouts is a good start imo. Also perhaps gil awards for successful completion of instances thus I can actually pay for the repairs I get in them and maybe a bit more on top of that. These are things that should be hard for RMT 'businesses' to abuse and allow legit combat players to make a bit of gil to pay the bills/teleport costs/buy some things occasionally?

Make the leveling of a DoH/L easier. Since there is nothing in the main quest that encourages you to level a crafting class. No reason a normal player should feel required to game triple turn-in leves to level a class in a cost efficient manner.

But mostly these are growing pains. SE has never released a AAA MMO before. Think if them like a little brother/sister, they have to touch the stove top before being taking the warning seriously.

The biggest, and most amusing irony of this thread is that the players who are struggling to make money keep suggesting that the players with wads of cash don't understand economics.

They then give this crap argument about how the Market Board is steadily sucking the economy dry 10% at a time. Yes, this is a money sink, but there are plenty of money springs.

Weird how I can make money, gathering, then crafting, then completing leve quests which is only adding money to the economy.

Then I see people talking about deflation, but I'm selling stuff and see no evidence of that. Sure prices go up and down due to supply and demand, but as a gatherer primarily I can always find something I can sell 200 gil per unit, I go pick it from the ground and make my cash... simples.

AAA MMO, the dumbest phrase ever created, there is no such thing. What you meant to say is they have never catered to the masses and god help me I hope the masses leave.

Gil is not hard to earn, period. I play maybe 3 hours a day and have earned since release probably 3+ mil. None of which was launch gouging.

It takes less than an hour to spiritbond a full set of cheap lvl 45+ gear. Assuming you do every slot and III materia sells at around 20k, minimum that is 150k on an hours time.

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Originally Posted by roohan

I can't understand why people can grind FATEs and dungeon all day long, but earning gil is boring on the other hand.

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because that's the mmo-mentality today

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Originally Posted by makii

The problem, my friend, is that most of the MMO-mentality today includes playing for two weeks and being in full endgame gear so you can go around showing off your cool armour to everyone. When this isn't possible, it will be considered a grind.
It would be fun to see these people back in the old MMO days where stuff was actually hard to obtain.

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Just add a sustainable way to make money. Crafting isn't sustainable, all that's doing is funneling money out of the pockets of most into the pockets of few.

There are thousands of tried and tested MMO methods to do this. The daily quests are a start but where are they?

People who claim it's "so easy to make money" should check out the Tonberry economy. Most materia prices dropped below 5k, pre-relic weapons are as low as 2000 and since everyone can farm Darklight out of the easy 8 man raid no problems there is no incentive to buy the very-hard-to-craft iLvL 70 stuff. Everything has bottomed out so badly you're lucky to pull any profit at all now from most things. The result? A few hundred people are left with millions of gil from everyone else since they spanked the economy early. I know people with over 10mil now.

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Originally Posted by Hostar

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Crafting is more than sustainable, you just need some patience.

"I want things faster" isn't a valid argument.

Crafting and Gathering. (My solution.)

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Originally Posted by makii

Crafting is more than sustainable, you just need some patience.

"I want things faster" isn't a valid argument.

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Yeah, I have friends on Phoenix. They're rolling in cash selling materia, crafting gear, vampire plants, pre-relic weapons and all sorts of rare crafting mats. They make 80-100k per sell on stuff. This is because your server is significantly behind when it comes to guilds, average player level and state of the economy.

"I play on a server that is quite far behind in terms of economy and character levels" isn't a valid basis for making a point.

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Originally Posted by Hostar

Yeah, I have friends on Phoenix. They're rolling in cash selling materia, crafting gear, vampire plants, pre-relic weapons and all sorts of rare crafting mats. They make 80-100k per sell on stuff. This is because your server is significantly behind when it comes to guilds, average player level and state of the economy.

"I play on a server that is quite far behind in terms of economy and character levels" isn't a valid basis for making a point.

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Aside from the market, crafting is in fact sustainable from nothing more than the triple-turn-in leves, and this has precisely nothing to do with which server you are on, or how much money is in the economy. You don't have to sell anything on the market to make more than enough money from crafting to pay for your raiding. If you don't want to do this, that's when you have to turn to the market to sell the crafting drops that you get from killing mobs.

Step 1.) Level up a Carpenter
Step 2.) Level up a Botanist
Step 3.) Go to Gridania, harvest 405 Wind Shards
Step 4.) Go to Camp Tranquil, harvest 405 Oak Logs
Step 5.) Turn the shards and logs into 135 HQ Oak Lumber
Step 6.) Go to Gridania, do the oak lumber leveequest 9 times
Step 7.) Generate over 40k gil net income(including after teleportation fees) for 60-90 minutes of your time; none of it taken from other players

Step 8.) Repeat steps 3 to 7 everyday

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Originally Posted by Ares_Skullfury

work for it, crafting and gathering have been very nice too me

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Lmao I just logged in to say what an excellent example of someone who doesn't read a thread but still wants to be heard.

Literally nobody in the world cares if you've made some nice profits off of crafting/gathering. In fact, if you HAVEN'T made a fair chunk of gil with a 50 craft or 50 gathering class your IQ is most likely under room temp.


Go ahead and tell your mom about how you responded to a thread about large scale gil creation trying to subtly brag about how much money you've made scamming new crafters out of their main quest gil. Let me know how that goes.

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Originally Posted by Ruminate

Step 1.) Level up a Carpenter
Step 2.) Level up a Botanist
Step 3.) Go to Gridania, harvest 405 Wind Shards
Step 4.) Go to Camp Tranquil, harvest 405 Oak Logs
Step 5.) Turn the shards and logs into 135 HQ Oak Lumber
Step 6.) Go to Gridania, do the oak lumber leveequest 9 times
Step 7.) Generate over 40k gil net income(including after teleportation fees) for 60-90 minutes of your time; none of it taken from other players

Step 8.) Repeat steps 3 to 7 everyday

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Thanks man going to try this out

The problem isn't that there aren't ways to make gil. The problem is that the dungeon-centric playerbase doesn't want to do them. "You want me to do something that doesn't involve fighting stuff? What are you smoking!?"

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Originally Posted by avaughnimous

Have to disagree. My experience has been that there are disproportionately more gil sinks than gil-generating mechanisms in the game. It would create a much better balance if there were something a little more supplemental thrown in. Or maybe a bunch of little somethings.

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Um... If you are finding there are more gil sinks than gil-generating mechanisms, maybe you need to lay off of some of the gil sinks?

I haven't found any yet until level 50 when you /need/ to buy a relic weapon and a couple r3 materia. Beyond that, you literally have nothing that you need to buy with gil.

Repairs? Ok... If you do any dungeons and full clear them(especially at level 50) you get at LEAST 1400g per run with allagan bronze coins.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

The problem isn't that there aren't ways to make gil. The problem is that the dungeon-centric playerbase doesn't want to them. "You want me to do something that doesn't involve fighting stuff? What are you smoking!?"

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pretty much this
perhaps dungeon based mmos are the right choice for them

Since the repair costs were adjusted and more allagan pieces dropping in dungeons, I see no issues with the balance of the economy anymore (if it even was any imbalance before).
What people keep neglecting are the validity of actually leveling up a DoH class. It's not about selling things on the market, that will only provide personal wealth (which is the only thing most people care about, I doubt there's many people that actually care about the server economy, they just want an easier time to get money). No, what I'm talking about is levequests and how great they can be at high level.

There are various tradeleves that asks for 3 of a certain item, the special thing about these leves is that you can turn in 3 items 2 more times! So for one allowance only, you can complete the same leve 3 times (requiring 9 of asked item) and if you HQ all 9 items you will get a tremendous amount of gil. Now do this 5 times more every day (you get 6 allowance per day) and you will quickly notice that you will never be able to spend that much gil in one day on teleports and repairs.