The Monk Temple

quick question, is it possible to weave/animation cancel the PUG/MONK auto-attack?
I'm used to play assasins clases were I used to weave an AA between my skills to maximize dps....but I can't seem to do it here, my auto-attack goes off way to long after using any skill.
So, can you weave as a monk? and is it worth it? or just spam your combos after every global cooldwon?

[QUOTE=J_Burton;1121506]Hey! checking in to the pug/mnk thread.

I got Lancer to 15 in beta phase 4 to get it out of the way so I could unlock Monk the second I hit 30. Your job quests provide EXP that you would miss out on if you left it to 50. Also you will unlock pugilist abilities even when you are a Monk, as a Monk is the job an actual base class. The job quests also unlock Monk abilities.

For soloing to be honest I find it tricky to meet the flanking and rear requirements all the time unless an enemy is charging a special attack because normally they track you perfectly. In party play though the Monk is a beast :D Monk doesn't learn any other AOE unfortunately u nless you count Rock Breaker which does damage in a cone in front of you or Howling Fist ( which does damage in a straight line in front of you) which you learn at level 46.

Hope this helps somewhat :)

Nearing level 30 Pugilist and I will be swapping to Monk. Already have Lancer at 15 so I'm all ready on that front, but I'm curious...

Are there any skills that are optimal to be included in to the Monk rotation from other classes that I need to prioritize getting eventually? I hated leveling Lancer to 15 so I hope not, haha.

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Originally Posted by zipzo

Nearing level 30 Pugilist and I will be swapping to Monk. Already have Lancer at 15 so I'm all ready on that front, but I'm curious...

Are there any skills that are optimal to be included in to the Monk rotation from other classes that I need to prioritize getting eventually? I hated leveling Lancer to 15 so I hope not, haha.

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This is what I used:
http://ffxivrealm.com/guides/monk-dps-guide-v2.14/

Although I feel the same as you I was dreading leveling other classes (besides Disciples of the Land and Hand) but I've started Marauder for some cross class skills and it hasn't been much of a chore so far :)

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Originally Posted by revonine

Hope this helps somewhat :)

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It does very much, also thank you and thanks to almalexia for the info about leveling pug while being in the mnk job, very good to know.

On the flanking/ rear requirements it is tricky, but rewarding when pulled off haha. It really all depends on the enemies auto attack animation, which I've noticed we pug/mnk have some of the longest lol. The only trick I've really found so far is to learn the timing between an enemies auto attacks. Right as it's about to go off, position yourself to get the flank/ rear bonus as they freeze in place during their attack animations. This makes true strike a lot easier to land over bot shine since bot's animation is considerably longer =(. If anyone has any other tricks let me know =)

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Originally Posted by Erudain

quick question, is it possible to weave/animation cancel the PUG/MONK auto-attack?
I'm used to play assasins clases were I used to weave an AA between my skills to maximize dps....but I can't seem to do it here, my auto-attack goes off way to long after using any skill.
So, can you weave as a monk? and is it worth it? or just spam your combos after every global cooldwon?

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No need to weave. AA will happen on its own timer independent of all other skills so long as you are engaged, in range and facing the target.

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Originally Posted by J_Burton

It does very much, also thank you and thanks to almalexia for the info about leveling pug while being in the mnk job, very good to know.

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Definitely need to test this next time I'm on but it can be difficult for me to judge animations because I suffer from the dreaded lag sometimes. The amount of times I've thought I was well clear of an AOE only to realize I still got hit anyway because of the delay. But I think landing a Bootshine and continuing your rotation to get your Greased Lightning buffs should be priority over cross class skills unless you have enough time to fit them them in between/during rotations.

After all with enough Greased Lightning stack cross classed skills do more damage ;D

I have another question actually for anyone who's gotten to end game as mnk. With the cross over skills that up our def and healing we receive has anyone tried to build a dodge tank monk?

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Originally Posted by J_Burton

I have another question actually for anyone who's gotten to end game as mnk. With the cross over skills that up our def and healing we receive has anyone tried to build a dodge tank monk?

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They aren't intended to be used to "tank", there is no way to "Itemize" for "dodge" as a MNK. If your going to cross class any of the defensive cooldowns, pop them to take the brunt of an AOE or something, or for if you pull aggro and need a higher % to survive. Hardmode Primal and some bosses in 50 dungeons will still make you a splat on the floor regardless if you intend to be a tank or not, which isn't gonna happen. MNK is straight up dmg, with some small utility, and cooldowns to help stay alive. Even if your using materia slots, it won't make hardly any impact on your stats to consider yourself a dodge tank.

Since evasion is no longer a player stat, it's impossible to devise a strict evasion build like MNK, NIN, or THF in FFXI. You can't hope to get your defense comparable to a WAR or PLD, either.

So it is as Herrstarr says: use your defensive abilities in a pinch or to mitigate AoE.

As far as cross skills go, you'll want to get lancer to 34 for Blood for blood (20% damage buff for 25% damage taken, very important in dungeons/raids) and invigorate 300tp restore for long fights/AoE. Marauder has a nice defensive skills, a DoT called fracture and a 200 potency execute at level 26.

Love MNKs, much more active and rewarding than DRG. The rotation can get very complicated and Greased Lightning drops a little quickly (i.e. almost any time you have to avoid AoE), but i relish mastering difficult classes.

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Originally Posted by Throdin

Love MNKs, much more active and rewarding than DRG.

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Yeah pretty sure I'm dropping my 41 Dragoon to roll a Monk, the classes play pretty similar but I feeling the Monk a lot more. They bring utility to a group and have a nice combo system that doesn't prevent you from doing other things.

The weird thing is I think Dragoon require more position movements than a Monk. While Monks need them to maximize their dmg, Dragoons need them to get their full buffs/debuffs up. Whoever designed melee did an amazing job, the jobs play similar but are fairly diferent.

Fist also have their own GCD which will set great Monks a part from OK ones. Altering your Fists for each boss mechanic can be pretty insane.

Fists of Earth for unavoidable damage parts

Fists of Wind when you have to avoid stuff

Fist of Fire for pure damage which will be up most of the time.

One thing I hate is no ranged move.

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Originally Posted by Spythe

Yeah pretty sure I'm dropping my 41 Dragoon to roll a Monk, the classes play pretty similar but I feeling the Monk a lot more. They bring utility to a group and have a nice combo system that doesn't prevent you from doing other things.

The weird thing is I think Dragoon require more position movements than a Monk. While Monks need them to maximize their dmg, Dragoons need them to get their full buffs/debuffs up. Whoever designed melee did an amazing job, the jobs play similar but are fairly diferent.

Fist also have their own GCD which will set great Monks a part from OK ones. Altering your Fists for each boss mechanic can be pretty insane.

Fists of Earth for unavoidable damage parts

Fists of Wind when you have to avoid stuff

Fist of Fire for pure damage which will be up most of the time.

One thing I hate is no ranged move.

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Pretty much same way I feel. Overall love monk but I thought monks would at least get chi blast or something.

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Originally Posted by Spythe

One thing I hate is no ranged move.

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Indeed, Monks DID have Wave Fist in FFTactics, it should be normal to expect similar skill here.

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Originally Posted by zephyranthez

Indeed, Monks DID have Wave Fist in FFTactics, it should be normal to expect similar skill here.

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Shoulder Tackle!

*Joins in on the PGL/MNK love*

Also, does anyone know if the flank/rear bonus gets registered at the beginning or at the end of the animation? ie do I have to wait for the animation to fully complete before changing my position to actually receive the position-bonus or can I just activate the ability and then change position straight away? Would be so much nicer if you could get some sorta feedback on if the position-bonus actually triggers. I know the beta 3 or 4 dev notes said that they would look into this so here's hoping :D

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Originally Posted by Nubian

*Joins in on the PGL/MNK love*

Also, does anyone know if the flank/rear bonus gets registered at the beginning or at the end of the animation? ie do I have to wait for the animation to fully complete before changing my position to actually receive the position-bonus or can I just activate the ability and then change position straight away? Would be so much nicer if you could get some sorta feedback on if the position-bonus actually triggers. I know the beta 3 or 4 dev notes said that they would look into this so here's hoping :D

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Beginning. Press and move.

Hey guys posts some pics of your hotbar setup.

Fixing around mines and Trying to make it just flow as easily as possible.

This thread is EPIC! *Subscribed*

I would love to post my hotbar here but I'm getting 1017ed all day long >.<

BTW, I don't know how to use macros, can someone enlighten me/us on how to set them up and what we can use with this monk job?

This is IMO a job that relates to the school of Hokuto No Ken! I wish MNK had a high power one hit fist attack like in Ragnarok v1.0 Asura Strike!
Here are some videos:
Asura Strike is on 1:42 where the Monk/Champ gives out a red Ki-blast and pubch the hell out of that plant dealing massive damage in one strike!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIjOwbf41OA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfFJ8MJItec

Fracture or ToD?

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Originally Posted by Genocide

Fracture or ToD?

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ToD does more dmg and slips nicely into rotation, a macro that I use is:


/ac "Demolish" <t>
/ac "Touch of Death" <t>

Basically you get to 3rd stance, click this macro one, it casts demolish, and then click again and it casts touch of death, and now everytime you come to renew demolish on target, just click once, and then next demolish renew ToD again, pretty much 100% uptime on both, with 1 button.

I have been poking around the forums a lot picking up things here and there for when I do actually get to play once this 1017 nonsense is gone.

One thing I have noticed is that there is a lot of talk about dps among the damage dealing classes/ jobs. In these discussion people seem to believe that a MNK is on the bottom tier of damage and some even have supposed parsing data to "prove" it. Though since I did not see the fights I have no idea how well the MNK was using his rotations and positioning to know just how valid the numbers actually are. I want to ask, how does everyone here feel about how MNK preforms in dungeons through out the game?

I really like the class but I am worried that if we really are that low on the charts I may have a hard time finding groups end game, like how it was if you played dragoon back in 11. So much time spent in towns just LFG.

Pugs build damage - once you get all your buffs up and can maintain your rotations without adds distracting or without the boss moving away before you can keep greased lightning pugs will go from low-tier to high-tier in a matter of minutes.

At least that's what I've noticed. If you are good at getting your rotations down and moving through them with low enough skill-speed you can do great damage.

Monks are meant for sustained damage, if you do a good job managing your GL stacks even on add fights you can keep DPS high without suffering too much of a loss. The only time I really see a big loss is on a get out of bad mechanic at a bad time when it comes to refreshing GL stacks.

yea monks are supper fun i cant wait to unlock it but reading this actually has given me more info on what other classes abilities i need to get the best output

The problem lies in the fact that its not the monks damage that is in question its how the boss fights turn out and most of the time you will lose grease lightning on certain bosses and the stone vigil last boss fight comes to mind a lot.

Melee generally get screwed in raid content in lots of games, and in some even basic dungeons. You just kind of have to live with it.

High armor, lots of moving, deadly AoE. Bosses are usually not built to be melee friendly.

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Originally Posted by J_Burton

I want to ask, how does everyone here feel about how MNK preforms in dungeons through out the game?

I really like the class but I am worried that if we really are that low on the charts I may have a hard time finding groups end game, like how it was if you played dragoon back in 11. So much time spent in towns just LFG.

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During boss battles i'm almost always 2° or 3° only behind the second tank (i'm talking about 8 man's raid), we deal really a lot of damage but is all about positioning and using the right rotation, if u'r not able to do that u'r dps will be low.

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Originally Posted by J_Burton

I really like the class but I am worried that if we really are that low on the charts I may have a hard time finding groups end game, like how it was if you played dragoon back in 11. So much time spent in towns just LFG.

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I hear all manner of horror stories about this or that dungeon, then I actually run it and everyone says "that was easy!"

The secret ingredient is monk. ;D

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Originally Posted by Herrstarr

ToD does more dmg and slips nicely into rotation, a macro that I use is:


/ac "Demolish" <t>
/ac "Touch of Death" <t>

Basically you get to 3rd stance, click this macro one, it casts demolish, and then click again and it casts touch of death, and now everytime you come to renew demolish on target, just click once, and then next demolish renew ToD again, pretty much 100% uptime on both, with 1 button.

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I literally just made this macro but man its even better. You can use it to cast ToD right off the back as well since you won't be in the right stance to cast Demolish it just cast ToD. It only cast Demolish when you're in Coeurl stance. Of course you want a full stack of GL before you cast your dots but you can wait then do it.

I also just made this one for AoE, it cast Arm of Destroyer when not in Coeurl stance. Once you are in Coeurl it cast Rockbreaker


/ac "Rockbreaker" <t>
/ac "Arm of the Destroyer" <me>

For gear based stats, to people go for accuracy, skill speed, or critical hit chance as their priority?

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Originally Posted by mercenarri

For gear based stats, to people go for accuracy, skill speed, or critical hit chance as their priority?

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Crit/Determination is ideal based on the poor returns offered by skill speed. Accuracy is the most important of all; you'll want to cap hit rate before you start stacking anything else.

It's hard to say at this point how much ACC you need to cap hit rate against a given target. In beta 3/4, it seemed as though this table was accurate (pun intended) to determine the appropriate values of ACC you'd need. However, we do not see any enemies in endgame content with levels that exceed 50. This means the factors that determine hit rate are currently unknown.

That said, use as much accuracy as you need to hit as often as possible. If you never miss, swap out gear/food for something with more DET/crit. If you miss more than 5% of attacks, add more accuracy (in phase 3/4, the hit rate cap was 99.99 or 100%, but 95% is a good place to start). The best we can do right now is feel it out until there's a way to calculate hit rate in advance of doing content.

Hello, I have a question, and if it was already answered I apologize.

Was the issue with Pugilist/Monk DoT's (Touch of Death, Demolish) not gaining a damage bonus from Greased Lightning ever fixed? I know in the beta it was present, and I haven't heard anything else about it since the game officially released.

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Originally Posted by Aicasia

Melee generally get screwed in raid content in lots of games, and in some even basic dungeons. You just kind of have to live with it.

High armor, lots of moving, deadly AoE. Bosses are usually not built to be melee friendly.

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That's not true. Melees in the game act as offtanks. While in many pug groups, the healer is paranoid and will heal everyone and everything at a scratch, realistically, mnk/drgs can live a stupidly long time compare to range paper weights. they may not be able to tank a boss, but adds are perfectly able.

MNK especially can take a crap load of hits before they run out of skills to defend themselves.

Many fights was made for the intention of melees fighting adds while the tank focuses on the boss. IF you don't have a melee in your light party, chances are, you're dead screwed.

archer/bards are paper, blm/whm fair better with some defensive spells, but once that interrupt gets going, they're dead.

It's a classic line up. Tank goes for the boss, melees are a cushion for the range back end.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

That's not true. Melees in the game act as offtanks.

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I actually have been finding myself extremely useful in this situation in lower levels, as tanks struggle to get a hold of adds that the healer ended up taking with healing aggro. I'd much rather take the hits than the healer, of course.

Part of me wishes I had a high enmity ability for just this occasion, but I know people would get confused and misuse it to make a tank's life hell.

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Originally Posted by KV-1

Hello, I have a question, and if it was already answered I apologize.

Was the issue with Pugilist/Monk DoT's (Touch of Death, Demolish) not gaining a damage bonus from Greased Lightning ever fixed? I know in the beta it was present, and I haven't heard anything else about it since the game officially released.

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DoTs now get a bonus from GL and all other sources of damage+%. DoTs can also crit, and will receive a bonus from Internal Release.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

That's not true. Melees in the game act as offtanks. While in many pug groups, the healer is paranoid and will heal everyone and everything at a scratch, realistically, mnk/drgs can live a stupidly long time compare to range paper weights. they may not be able to tank a boss, but adds are perfectly able.

MNK especially can take a crap load of hits before they run out of skills to defend themselves.

Many fights was made for the intention of melees fighting adds while the tank focuses on the boss. IF you don't have a melee in your light party, chances are, you're dead screwed.

archer/bards are paper, blm/whm fair better with some defensive spells, but once that interrupt gets going, they're dead.

It's a classic line up. Tank goes for the boss, melees are a cushion for the range back end.

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I think you took my message the wrong way. I was making a general statement regarding raid bosses. I can name plenty of raid bosses/scenarios where melee don't get screwed over and are incredibly useful for adds and whatnot, but I can name more yet where they do get screwed over completely. They aren't useless, I never even implied that. I said bosses generally aren't designed to make melee life easy.

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Originally Posted by Aicasia

Melee generally get screwed in raid content in lots of games, and in some even basic dungeons. You just kind of have to live with it.

High armor, lots of moving, deadly AoE. Bosses are usually not built to be melee friendly.

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i hear ya but thats why i love playing melee dps classes its funner that way to adapt or well gets annoying running after the mob >.<

What food do you guys buff with?

How many total attribute points we get anyway? Like From start up to lvl 50.