Yoshi-p says: "Button pressing is stressful." ....

I think the basic concept of "afk fishing" will make it less profitable for RMT(what does that stand for anyway?). Simply because it'll be so easy for people to get the basic fish on their own, that there will be fewer people buying them. If they keep the percentages really low on the rare stuff, it'll still leave a worthwhile window open for regular players.

I've said before that I like the "less stressful fishing", but there are times when yes, I'd like to do some regular fishing. for this I'd like to see them implement 2 kinds of rods. a regular dropline fishing rod and a fly fishing rod. while the dropline can be used the way they intended, the fly fishing rod could be used to have a more active fishing style with better rewards.

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Originally Posted by lordoftheapes79

RMT(what does that stand for anyway?)

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Real Money Traders

Well, Yoshi-P was a Lv50 Fisher using Lv1 bait, wearing full AF/CSE and probably in a low-level spot. It was bound to look quick and automatic, like synthing a Lv3 item with a Lv50 crafting job.

I won't pretend it's going to be as involved as that game of missile command or whatever it was from v1, but Yoshi-P did say "You won’t catch anything if you don’t have the right gear". And as we've heard already, "If you want to catch a rare fish, first you’ll need to catch the HQ fish you’ll use as bait, then use that fish for live bait. Otherwise you can’t catch the rare fish." As well as the simpler "There are fish you can only catch at night, or in good weather conditions, etc." The "minigame" is knowing the right fishing spots and knowing the class.

So it's not just simple drop in a line and pull out the fish you want.

*Reinheart translations, btw

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Originally Posted by Mjollnir

Real Money Traders

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thanks that's been driving me nuts for awhile, not the first time I've asked either, but the first time I actually got a response lol

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Originally Posted by ArkhamNative

Well, Yoshi-P was a Lv50 Fisher using Lv1 bait, wearing full AF/CSE and probably in a low-level spot. It was bound to look quick and automatic, like synthing a Lv3 item with a Lv50 crafting job.

I won't pretend it's going to be as involved as that game of missile command or whatever it was from v1, but Yoshi-P did say "You won’t catch anything if you don’t have the right gear". And as we've heard already, "If you want to catch a rare fish, first you’ll need to catch the HQ fish you’ll use as bait, then use that fish for live bait. Otherwise you can’t catch the rare fish." As well as the simpler "There are fish you can only catch at night, or in good weather conditions, etc." The "minigame" is knowing the right fishing spots and knowing the class.

So it's not just simple drop in a line and pull out the fish you want.

*Reinheart translations, btw

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exactly. People are over reading into the quotes. You have to remember that every response is chosen very carefully right now to avoid spoilers. Only 3 more days and we'll know a whole lot more on this subject.

I expect nothing less from OUR SAVIOUR.
*rolls eyes*

It is my experience in Botany that you need the best gear/materia to reliably gather at the highest levels. and even then your chances of HQ are pretty low in comparison to say level 30 or 40.

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

"try to hook the fish and if successful" is a bit misleading. From the video it looks like the fish either bites or doesn't, and when it does you just press another button to reel it in. There's no fight anymore.

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I was going off of certain information that was available temporarily and then removed. The "hook fish" skill tool tip indicated a chance of failure. You're right, though.. in the video it looks like there is no fighting the fish on the way in. I was only referring to the chance of failure with regard to hooking the fish.

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Originally Posted by Robobandit

I was going off of certain information that was available temporarily and then removed. The "hook fish" skill tool tip indicated a chance of failure. You're right, though.. in the video it looks like there is no fighting the fish on the way in. I was only referring to the chance of failure with regard to hooking the fish.

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Are you saying you want to go back to "You hook the fish but still cannot reel it in" days??

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Are you saying you want to go back to "You hook the fish but still cannot reel it in" days??

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If stats (through gear & food) modify that chance, then yes!

B...but... but... ...why? :(

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

B...but... but... ...why? :(

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Oh! I guess if it's got to be "stand and press a button" and you automatically got the fish every time it would be pretty dull. I mean it's already a little less exciting than facing off against the fish in a battle of lefty/righty, so I'd be happy if it were:

eg
50% chance to catch fish at your level
+up to 25% chance to catch based on full NQ gear
+up to another 10% chance if you've got HQ gear
+up to another 10% chance if you have max materia
+up to another 5% chance if you have max food

Which I presume is exactly what the Gathering skill will be used for by Fisherfolk.

But I found that message to be the most annoying message of all. "You sense something is there but cannot make the final cut" Why? All I do is make another strike in the exact same place as before and I would get it! But there was no real "fight" just another click. :(

I think the way they've done it well with "You can catch this fish or would you like to catch a Bigger fish with this fish you caught?" is a better idea. That way, it's not two clicks for 1 item. It's 2 clicks as a double or nothing bet to get something really nice right?

If it's just a run of the mill item I don't mind just picking them one after another like daisy-fishes. If I'm making more clicks I would like a bigger reward.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

I think the way they've done it well with "You can catch this fish or would you like to catch a Bigger fish with this fish you caught?" is a better idea. That way, it's not two clicks for 1 item. It's 2 clicks as a double or nothing bet to get something really nice right?

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I would guess that place/time/weather/bait all toggle the facility to catch certain fish on. I hope the new fishing system is a combination of this and what I described above. Not long til we see for ourselves though!

I tell you, if the last four weeks have taught me anything, it's that *not* button-pressing is stressful!

I think most people are mistaken when it comes to how fish affect an in-game economy. From my understanding fish ruin the economy when they vendor for a decent chunk of change. This affects the economy by bringing more gil in to circulation, devaluing what's already there (Hyper-Inflation, this happened in FFXI at one point as a result of RMT, not necessarily from fishing, but from a large influx of gil). RMTs capitalize on this because they use bots, and it's very simple to just vendor things. How do you reduce the affect on the economy? Simple, reduce the price that you can vendor the fish for.

I think most of you are taking "It won't affect the economy" too literally. Making fish desirable on the AH does not affect the economy in the way you are thinking. At most, it'll lower the cost of things by creating alternatives.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Are you saying you want to go back to "You hook the fish but still cannot reel it in" days??

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I was clarifying my meaning with regard to Llen's post, not indicating a preference.

I personally would like to fight the fish like the updated system in FF XI. I didn't care for the mini-game in FF XIV 1.0, but I am not too keen on automatic fishing, either.

I do like for there to be a chance for failure, though. I don't want to feel like I could get away with pressing a single button and alt-tabbing out. That's why I like that I have to perform actions during crafting in this game and it isn't just "press a button and wait for the progress bar to complete" like most other mmorpgs these days.

Still better than real life fishing :P j/k