ARR and Mac

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Originally Posted by ispano

Not to mention the tablet version, while being X86 iirc, will only be able to use Apps from MS' App Store type thing.

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The ARM based tablet is limited to Apps from the MS app store. The x86 version allows you to run those and any other software designed for Windows.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

And that is where you would be wrong, I am on my phone a lot more than my Laptop and when I go on my laptop more often than not I boot into Ubuntu.

I take it your sig is hosted on your own website? It's the only legal way you could see who is looking at the forums, then you would have to go through the logs to monitor connections, Then you have to trace my MAC to my user name to say "you use Windows more than Linux" which will take time to recognize a pattern.

Even then it only shows that I visit these forums on Windows more, must be coincidence but I assure you I don't live on these forums, I do other things as well, The only way you can definitively say I use Windows most is if you have installed spyware on my laptop and are tracking me.

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Finally figured it out? :p so you know I'm not lying. :p But yeah, you're right. I grepped my logs for way longer than I should have. The count without narrowing it down to ffxiv site is 130, which was what I was working off of. But once I narrow it down, it's only 8 returns.

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Originally Posted by Laume

Finally figured it out? :p so you know I'm not lying. :p But yeah, you're right. I grepped my logs for way longer than I should have. The count without narrowing it down to ffxiv site is 130, which was what I was working off of. But once I narrow it down, it's only 8 returns.

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It's not a very good way of saying how people use their comps, also in that log you showed there is no mention of an iPad just mac OSX where iPad runs iOS.

Using the logs only shows us when we are accessing you sig, or we are on a page you have posted I, so it only shows how access this site.

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Originally Posted by Millerna

The OSX clients of WAR and SWtOR for example are Cider ports, and their OSX performance is far below their Windows performance on the exact same hardware.

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Typo? There is no Mac port of SWTOR. It won't even run on Wine (Linux or Mac). (Well, a few claim to have, but it involves patching and recompiling Wine and massive workarounds and still there are issues.)

But back to ARR, Cider > Wine > no Mac port. And even a native port can introduce its own bugs and performance issues, so there's no automatic win there.

For capability, it's generally Windows >= Mac > PS3. (So many Windows computers sold only have built-in graphics, if any, and Macs at least come with some graphics, so there's a little overlap. And though less powerful, all PS3s can play ARR.) For numbers of gamers, it's PS3 > Windows > Mac.

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Originally Posted by ArkhamNative

Typo? There is no Mac port of SWTOR. It won't even run on Wine (Linux or Mac). (Well, a few claim to have, but it involves patching and recompiling Wine and massive workarounds and still there are issues.)

But back to ARR, Cider > Wine > no Mac port. And even a native port can introduce its own bugs and performance issues, so there's no automatic win there.

For capability, it's generally Windows >= Mac > PS3. (So many Windows computers sold only have built-in graphics, if any, and Macs at least come with some graphics, so there's a little overlap. And though less powerful, all PS3s can play ARR.) For numbers of gamers, it's PS3 > Windows > Mac.

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Think I had a brain freeze there, SWtOR shouldn't be there obviously ;)

I've tried WoW on OSX (native client) as well as WAR on OSX (Cider port), and both had bad performance compared to running them on windows though bootcamp on the same machine. In case of WoW it was doable, in case of WAR it was so bad it became unplayable during bigger pvp battles.

So, while a Cider port is better than nothing, there will also be a LOT of whining about bad performance and that the Windows/PS3 people have an advantage over the OSX people etc.

http://distilleryimage8.s3.amazonaws...0a1f9abd_7.jpg
https://twitter.com/paulmalixi

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

http://distilleryimage8.s3.amazonaws...0a1f9abd_7.jpg
https://twitter.com/paulmalixi

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I saw that, Oh Okipuit Okipuit selling your soul to the devil would have been better.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

I saw that, Oh Okipuit Okipuit selling your soul to the devil would have been better.

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I think that's actually Rukkirii's. That's her reply. It's obviously really bad for gaming because it only had Intel graphics, however it makes a fine very portable work laptop if you don't require a lot of power.

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

I think that's actually Rukkirii's. That's her reply. It's obviously really bad for gaming because it only had Intel graphics, however it makes a fine very portable work laptop if you don't require a lot of power.

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It was on Okipuit's instagram posted to his twitter, and it's him saying that he has loads of pics to edit, so I think it is his.

I wonder if we will see a thread "The community team's wild adventures in SF" lol.

Ya, it probably his then. Anyways I think it's funny. Not as funny as seeing Gabe Newell giving his presentation on an iPad and saying something negative about Apple in relation to the PC.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

It's not a very good way of saying how people use their comps, also in that log you showed there is no mention of an iPad just mac OSX where iPad runs iOS.

Using the logs only shows us when we are accessing you sig, or we are on a page you have posted I, so it only shows how access this site.

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Yes and no. I thought the log said 130 accesses in a span of 2 days with windows. If you're accessing a page 130 times 65 times a day, there's little likelihood that you've got time for much else on another computer.

Oh, I saw 2 different ipad accesses from 2 different ip's per Alhanelem reply. They were also the closest to his actual post date and time. But this last one, obviously, it didn't happen. Well, log reading and data mining isn't an exact science yet.

Could also be from a different thread. 130 accesses in a few hours is actually easy to do depending on how the browser is configured, refresh habits, etc.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Could also be from a different thread. 130 accesses in a few hours is actually easy to do depending on how the browser is configured, refresh habits, etc.

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As delsus pointed out, I only get a log when someone sees my signature. And I thought I limited to the ffxiv website. If you extrapolate initial erroneous number that a) he doesn't just read threads/pages I posted on. b) it takes at least 3~4 seconds to skim through a page. c) takes 5~15 seconds to actually post a reply. D) also considering the time range I thought the logs reflected, 130 refreshes can only be considered the minimum while the real number is probably 2~5 times that of an actual visit on the website. And the time on the website much longer.

But remember, I don't grep for a few hours. I grep for days. 130 (or so I thought) in 2 days. (meaning some entries in the morning and some in the evening and inbetween.)

This isn't the only thread you've posted in. People could have viewed many threads that you've posted in.

Some people have the tab/browser set to auto refresh.

I stand by my statement that that many, even more could be done in a matter of hours. I do it easily on a daily basis.

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Originally Posted by ispano

This isn't the only thread you've posted in. People could have viewed many threads that you've posted in.

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Right, that's what I'm saying. The topic was what client they use and how often. Not which threads they posted in. Which means what threads the posted in doesn't matter. Which also means that the ratio of them viewing my avatar to viewing a page without my avatar is still 1:3~5. (well, probably more so, but I'm being conservative)

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Originally Posted by ispano

Some people have the tab/browser set to auto refresh.

I stand by my statement that that many, even more could be done in a matter of hours. I do it easily on a daily basis.

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I had thought of that, but with auto refresh, the numbers wouldn't be 130 spread unevenly through out the days, which is what the logs showed. It's still possible, but very unlikely so I hedged my bets on no auto refresh.

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Originally Posted by Laume

As delsus pointed out, I only get a log when someone sees my signature. And I thought I limited to the ffxiv website. If you extrapolate initial erroneous number that a) he doesn't just read threads/pages I posted on. b) it takes at least 3~4 seconds to skim through a page. c) takes 5~15 seconds to actually post a reply. D) also considering the time range I thought the logs reflected, 130 refreshes can only be considered the minimum while the real number is probably 2~5 times that of an actual visit on the website. And the time on the website much longer.

But remember, I don't grep for a few hours. I grep for days. 130 (or so I thought) in 2 days. (meaning some entries in the morning and some in the evening and inbetween.)

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I would be very careful with what you say, if the mods feel like you are holding anyone's information they can delete your sig or even ban you. I had a sig that told people what OS and browser they are using, and that got deleted by a mod for displaying people's personal information, if the mods think you are holding anything they can take action. IP addresses, browser info and OS info tells you where to aim a hack (IP address) and any potential back doors in software (browser and OS)

Have a guess at which OS I posted this on.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

I would be very careful with what you say, if the mods feel like you are holding anyone's information they can delete your sig or even ban you. I had a sig that told people what OS and browser they are using, and that got deleted by a mod for displaying people's personal information, if the mods think you are holding anything they can take action. IP addresses, browser info and OS info tells you where to aim a hack (IP address) and any potential back doors in software (browser and OS)

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Really? Wow, didn't think they cared that much. Well, if they tell me not to divulge the data, I won't. But they can't tell me to host my signature somewhere else and expect me to not host it on my own webserver. Besides, if I really wanted to mess with you, I wouldn't need the signature to find you. It was just convenient.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Have a guess at which OS I posted this on.

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Well, now that you know I'm doing it, you can change the user agent string, go through a proxy or filter any web content that comes from my signature's server, etc. You did, after all, say something along the lines of only way I could get reliable data is if I was the controller of the square-enix domain or dns. (or something, I read it as I was running out the door. Which is completely false as domain registrars and dns servers, don't get direct traffic from the end user unless the dns server happens to be the one your computer is using.) But sure, this is kind of fun and you asked, so I'll take a stab at it. These are the only 2 requests I see around the time of this posting.

86.141.156.48 - - [16/Feb/2013:14:06:20 -0800] 200 27819 "http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/60337-ARR-and-Mac/page18" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; Trident/4.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729)"
70.161.97.230 - - [16/Feb/2013:14:10:44 -0800] 304 - "http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/60337-ARR-and-Mac/page18" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_8_2) AppleWebKit/537.17 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/24.0.1312.57 Safari/537.17"

Assuming you actually did view my signature. 86.141.156.48 is BT in europe. From your posts, you don't sound like you're in Europe so I'll rule out 86.141.156.48. Which means you're probably 70.161.97.230. Which is cox here in the US. Which means Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_8_2

Again, now that you know I'm doing it, none of this info is reliable. For all I know, both of these could be you. One through a proxy and one with the user agent string changed.

What makes you think I'm not in EU? Just wondering. (I will tell you if you are right after you answer.)

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Originally Posted by Delsus

What makes you think I'm not in EU? Just wondering. (I will tell you if you are right after you answer.)

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It's just a guess. But UK and european english speakers tend to use grammar a little differently than US speakers. Of course, looking at your post times via http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/s...93&pp=0&page=3, I see that I can be completely wrong.

Addition: Yep, completely wrong:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...173#post910173
Also, unless you're a journalist, people in the US doesn't usually use the term "EU"

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Originally Posted by Laume

It's just a guess. But UK and european english speakers tend to use grammar a little differently than US speakers. Of course, looking at your post times via http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/s...93&pp=0&page=3, I see that I can be completely wrong.

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Haha yeah you are wrong, I'm in UK, and you did spike me (I'm actually on my server 08 VM right now messing around with SQL)

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Haha yeah you are wrong, I'm in UK, and you did spike me (I'm actually on my server 08 VM right now messing around with SQL)

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Your work makes you use mssql too? >.<

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Originally Posted by Laume

Your work makes you use mssql too? >.<

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I'm actually looking for work, but I have an interview for a job on fri and I need to know SQL, so I decided to use an iso I had from when I was at university to refresh my memory.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

I'm actually looking for work, but I have an interview for a job on fri and I need to know SQL, so I decided to use an iso I had from when I was at university to refresh my memory.

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The company that I work for actually has BT as a customer. If I hear something, I'll send you a note. Good luck with that job interview though.

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Originally Posted by Laume

The company that I work for actually has BT as a customer. If I hear something, I'll send you a note. Good luck with that job interview though.

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Thanks :)

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