All Worlds Emergency Maintenance (Sep. 20)

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

Honestly, it just feels like XI nerfs all over again. Once someone finds an easier way to make gil, they nerf it. And so, since you can easily make gil off Atomos, they nerf it.

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TBH, it's never good to have an unchecked money faucet in any MMO, least of all in one like FF14 where there is a decidedly lack of money sinks.

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Originally Posted by Aenarion

TBH, it's never good to have an unchecked money faucet in any MMO, least of all in one like FF14 where there is a decidedly lack of money sinks.

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To be fair, I agree. But somethings just don't need nerfed. It's not like this event is going to last forever to begin with, so the faucet will shut off on its own regardless.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

To be fair, I agree. But somethings just don't need nerfed. It's not like this event is going to last forever to begin with, so the faucet will shut off on its own regardless.

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WHAT? that doesn't even make sense. This needed a nerf and it was nerfed. end of story.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

Honestly, it just feels like XI nerfs all over again. Once someone finds an easier way to make gil, they nerf it. And so, since you can easily make gil off Atomos, they nerf it.

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You seem to be mistaken about this -- The only nerfs they made to any "easy gil making strategy" was Holy Waters recently. Everything they've "nerfed" was heavily used by RMT which was a real problem in the early days and the exploit of buying and selling panties in Tavanzia for almost a 1000% profit.

Curor > Gil is untouched 2 years later.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

To be fair, I agree. But somethings just don't need nerfed. It's not like this event is going to last forever to begin with, so the faucet will shut off on its own regardless.

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To make that determination though one would have to have access to the economic/server data, which only SE do. In cases like this you really just have to defer to the devs and trust that they're making the correct decision.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

WHAT? that doesn't even make sense. This needed a nerf and it was nerfed. end of story.

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You dont nerf exploits, you abolish them :/

I think some folks in here are just mad they got stuck holding the bag.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

To be fair, I agree. But somethings just don't need nerfed. It's not like this event is going to last forever to begin with, so the faucet will shut off on its own regardless.

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While this example may not be realistic, you think it'd be ok that everyone had the potential to cap out their gil before 2.0 simply by NPCing items?

An economy in an MMO is supposed to be a player driven system, not something where you can just vendor unlimited amounts of items and generate gil.

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Originally Posted by Reika

You dont nerf exploits, you abolish them :/

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Exactly what they're doing now with this hotfix -- What you seem to fail to understand is outside of GC, a lot of the consumables they sell people don't/can't make so they can't just flatout remove them for example.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

WHAT? that doesn't even make sense. This needed a nerf and it was nerfed. end of story.

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Made perfect sense to me.

Faucet will not be open any longer once the event is gone, therefore no more inflow of seals, thus no more seal trading for drops.

If the event went on forever, it would need nerfed as the amount of gil in the world would be too overwhelming for markets to keep up. However, inflation causes these intakes to equalize. It's people being petty with gil that think it's a problem.

Spend more gil for items that costed less for a while, it will eventually equal itself out with NPC items you may need/want to buy such as coke for synthesis. Just because prices inflate doesn't mean the economy doesn't equalize. To begin with the economy on XIV is horrible. The only people who say it's not is people who have hours and hours to spend on the game farming, SBing, crafting, mining, etc.

So what if people who don't have as much time as others make a few million gil. It's not ok for them to have 1/10th the gil others should be able to make with their time? I'm not saying that people go on crusades to make gil countless hours of the day, but the fact is that some people just don't have the time. Some people can play all week long, some people only get an hour or two a day, except weekends.

It's rather unfair to these casual players to be held back in the game because of the economy being so demanding. They're essential nerfing a limited time spring of gil that casual players could of used to catch up to the more intense players for a short time.

Skill only gets you so far. Having to gil to afford an item you wouldn't normally be able to obtain because you don't have those countless hours to earn gil, is a nice incentive to join an event. Regardless of whether anyone understands the post, or cares, thats my opinion and I'll stick with it.

Either way, it's being nerfed. I just think it's retarded.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

If the event went on forever, it would need nerfed as the amount of gil in the world would be too overwhelming for markets to keep up. However, inflation causes these intakes to equalize. It's people being petty with gil that think it's a problem.

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I know someone that has made 40mil off this event as of last night. How is that not overwhelming?

Contrary to you saying you think it needs to be nerfed in the long run, I can see how you fail to see how this whole situation is wrong in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Exactly what they're doing now with this hotfix -- What you seem to fail to understand is outside of GC, a lot of the consumables they sell people don't/can't make so they can't just flatout remove them for example.

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I think you're failing to understand what I meant by that...

What ever they do, thanks for this event lol =)

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Originally Posted by Orophin

I know someone that has made 40mil off this event as of last night. How is that not overwhelming?

Contrary to you saying you think it needs to be nerfed in the long run, I can see how you fail to see how this whole situation is wrong in the first place.

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That sure sounds like someone who has hours and hours to play to me. Meaning they could of made that gil regardless.

I dont really care what they do. I didn't spend every waking moment doing atomos anyways. Else I might have made 40mil instead of 8.

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Originally Posted by Reika

I dont really care what they do. I didn't spend every waking moment doing atomos anyways. Else I might have made 40mil instead of 8.

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But lots of people did, that's the problem. Back in the day, leve linking made gil flow like water, this was like making the economy take a drink from a fire hose.

So the event being nerfed or removed?

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

Made perfect sense to me.

Faucet will not be open any longer once the event is gone, therefore no more inflow of seals, thus no more seal trading for drops.

If the event went on forever, it would need nerfed as the amount of gil in the world would be too overwhelming for markets to keep up. However, inflation causes these intakes to equalize. It's people being petty with gil that think it's a problem.

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I though it was being nerfed about atomos like Yoshi said?

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Originally Posted by Tiago

So the event being nerfed or removed?


I though it was being nerfed about atomos like Yoshi said?

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You're not mistaken, I'm arguing economics.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

That sure sounds like someone who has hours and hours to play to me. Meaning they could of made that gil regardless.

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But I know said person; they're in my linkshell. Yes, they do have a lot of time on their hands to play, but they normally would not go out of their way to try to make money. They would have not made 40mil, or even half that, any other way prior to ARR.

I'm not saying everyone that abused Atomos doesn't have alternative means of making money, but I'd challenge if most of them could have made that same amount of money in the same amount of time or even before the game shuts down.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

But I know said person; they're in my linkshell. Yes, they do have a lot of time on their hands to play, but they normally would not go out of their way to try to make money. They would have not made 40mil, or even half that, any other way prior to ARR.

I'm not saying everyone that abused Atomos doesn't have alternative means of making money, but I'd challenge if most of them could have made that same amount of money in the same amount of time or even before the game shuts down.

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According to a reply to one of my earlier posts, it's highly possible to make that or even half that in the time remaining. Regardless if they went out of their way before to make/get gil, they still have the option. Some of us don't unless we want to lose our REAL job.

Say you have 10 hours to play, and can make 10k an hour, thats 100k.

I only have 2 hours to play, at 10k an hour. I made 20k.

The weekend comes, saide person has 500k to upgrade their gear or whatever, i have 100k to buy maybe 2 items that need an upgrade from leveling. Meaning i need to spend another week upgrading. Might be a little hazy, but i think you get what im trying to say.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

But lots of people did, that's the problem. Back in the day, leve linking made gil flow like water, this was like making the economy take a drink from a fire hose.

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It's true. I saw people in my shell, in a few days, make as much money as I had after two years of diligently crafting and selling items in the wards.

I ended up feeling compelled to farm atomos myself just so I wasn't volunteering for a social class demotion.

They clearly didn't plan for people to buy stacks of Dawn Drops for hours and resell them to an NPC. If it was intended, they wouldn't be hotfixing it (which, to me, isn't a very hot fix if it took over a week to develop). Too little, too late. SE is still partly to blame on this.

This was an exploit.

Would they do anything about it to the exploiters? Well, let's ask Garuda that one.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

It's true. I saw people in my shell, in a few days, make as much money as I had after two years of diligently crafting and selling items in the wards.

I ended up feeling compelled to farm atomos myself just so I wasn't volunteering for a social class demotion.

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I just broke down and did it, even if i really didnt want to. i missed the gravy train once with garuda the hell if im going to miss it again.

I don't think people know what the term "Exploit" means.

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Originally Posted by Lavieh

I don't think people know what the term "Exploit" means.

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To take advantage of something unintended.

Usually an exploit in an MMO game is taking advatage of a mechanic that's not meant to be in the game, such as XI's NM exploits on the ??? where it would not take your pop item under certain conditions, not one that is there readily available prior to an event making it overwhelming. Thats not an exploit, that's called a development mistake.

For real example of an exploit, look up the old Absolute Virtue exploit where you get him stuck. That's not a mechanic meant to be in the game, that's a glitch the was exploited.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

To take advantage of something unintended.

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I don't really see the Dawn Drops as an exploit. It's not like people are duplicating an item, or cheating to obtain the Gil. It's more of an oversight, and people took clear advantage of it. It's a very good thing they're nerfing it in this update though because if it had gone on for much longer it would have been a big deal. I don't think it's so much the Gil that was the problem. It's more of the fact that the economy basically stopped. No one was farming, crafting, melding, and more. No Gil was leaving. Now that it's removed it will level out with time.

I am really mad about Internet Money and also don't understand redenomination.

lol@economy

Good joke.

I didn't give a crap about selling dawn drops or w/e, I just wanted to get my rank and GC gear, weapons, etc etc... however being as i'm a fairly new player, I haven't gotten my GC quests finished so i'm capped at 45k seals and can't buy the big ticket GC items yet. I was hoping i'd have time to get my missions finished, get second lieutenant rank for 25k seals, then buy the high end stuff. They can nerf the money exploit just continue to let us get seals to get our crap done before the end of this version of the game.

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Originally Posted by Artiss2k

I didn't give a crap about selling dawn drops or w/e, I just wanted to get my rank and GC gear, weapons, etc etc... however being as i'm a fairly new player, I haven't gotten my GC quests finished so i'm capped at 45k seals and can't buy the big ticket GC items yet. I was hoping i'd have time to get my missions finished, get second lieutenant rank for 25k seals, then buy the high end stuff. They can nerf the money exploit just continue to let us get seals to get our crap done before the end of this version of the game.

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I think that is exactly what they are doing so you still have time.

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Originally Posted by Darkillumina

Good news, there has been a lack of material and items on the auction house due to Atomos camping so this will force people to actually start making stuff again which should ease out the inflation period.

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Inflation won't go down by much without removing gil from the economy. The problem is that we have few gil sinks in place as is between airships (which aren't used because of anima recovery from Hamlet defense) and repair NPCs (which aren't used much because they're notably inferior to sitting around in town and waiting for a crafter to see you). There's no easy fix, sadly.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

I guess your definition of plebes is people that don't want to craft forever or go farm forever.



It's not that I'm disagreeing, it's that they're only hurting people who just now are joining it. If they really gave two shits about the economy they'd do more than nerf atomos/dawn drop. That's my two cents.

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So if you don't want to farm, and don't want to lvl a craft.. why do you deserve to have gil? That's like asking an employer to pay you for not working. Aside from the small amounts the game allows you to get from natural progression, if you want to buy things from other players worth buying you'll need to earn it.

Due to the changes SE made though it appears we just are no longer able to defeat Atomos since either theres a lot less people to kill it or more / stronger adds. Now you just go there, die and repair your gear :-(

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Originally Posted by Penance007

Due to the changes SE made though it appears we just are no longer able to defeat Atomos since either theres a lot less people to kill it or more / stronger adds. Now you just go there, die and repair your gear :-(

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Well the event has run it's course after a week though (for most that played consistently) since at this point a lot were just trying to make gil through GC items lol. Guess it may be because people don't know the new spawn cycles yet or yeah people just stopped caring D: