Patch 1.22c Notes

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Originally Posted by blumoon

I'd probably agree in light of the new Primal system but I think too many clues point otherwise, at least for me. In the recent poll when asked for a new class, it uses avatars as one of the examples when mentioning a pet based class. Now that could have just been used as an example and me delving too deep into things or it could have pointed to a summoner-like class, if not a summoner itself. Also Yoshi says he wants to make FFXIV more FF-y, one of the staple classes of Final Fantasy since 3 is Summoner. So I think if not soon, eventually. At that point the Primal system may be tweaked or who knows what but it'll be fun when it finally gets here.

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We're probably going to see the less iconic but still pre-existent summons, and perhaps something unique to Eorzea (here I am praying for Ark and Knight-Shiva from FFTA)

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

I hope the new GC gear is worth those 25k seals though.

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Better then most of the primal weapons (if you have 5+ gc equips), so yes.

And 25k seals + 10k for each weapon is nothing compared to the time (and luck) you need to get 1 primal weapon.

I just don't like mage weapons (except flame cnj).

I wouldn't mind something unique. I just want to summon! lol

Ark would be amazing. I hope they bring back Quetzalcoatl! He's one of my favorites.

Given that they showed cait sith and fenrir in what little we got out of e3 summarily saying Omergurd NOSumener!!!1!1 is a bit hasty

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Originally Posted by Tano

Better then most of the primal weapons (if you have 5+ gc equips), so yes.

And 25k seals + 10k for each weapon is nothing compared to the time (and luck) you need to get 1 primal weapon.

I just don't like mage weapons (except flame cnj).

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Where does it say the weapons are 10,000 each? I was expecting them to cost much more.

I guess AF weapon stats changed? (reading JP forums)
Axe, H2H, WHM staff changed I think rest is same? at least that's what it says there.

And 25k for officer weapons ><
Now someone else saying "you liar, its 7k"... so which is it? w Hope its 7k

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

I guess AF weapon stats changed? (reading JP forums)
Axe, H2H, WHM staff changed I think rest is same? at least that's what it says there.

And 25k for officer weapons ><
Now someone else saying "you liar, its 7k"... so which is it? w Hope its 7k

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Originally Posted by Gospel

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LOL oh here it comes all the questions and stuff~ xD

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

And 25k for officer weapons ><
Now someone else saying "you liar, its 7k"... so which is it? w Hope its 7k

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I don't think it will be 7k, considering the sergeant weapons cost 7k. Or something close to that, if not above it. I'm feeling 15k-20k per weapon. I mean, they're not chump weapons by any means. Some of them are really, really good. I doubt SE would make them cheap.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

I guess AF weapon stats changed? (reading JP forums)
Axe, H2H, WHM staff changed I think rest is same? at least that's what it says there.

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Do ya know what changes were made to the relics?

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

Eh, it doesn't look like there's going to be a summoner class.

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Seeing as one of the early GC quests show an Arcanist summoning Familiars, I'm going with they planned that class to be a Summoner for a long while now.

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Originally Posted by Antanias

Do ya know what changes were made to the relics?

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Spharai has higher refresh, axe has more def and whm has more enhacement potency

Not sure if anyone mentioned it but there were no "new" new items added in regards to relics. What I mean by that is there are no new items that are required to obtain relics which leads me to believe the new items from DH and behests are the seals and the same item from the coffers in CC and AV in relation to the relic quest.

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Originally Posted by blumoon

I'd probably agree in light of the new Primal system but I think too many clues point otherwise, at least for me. In the recent poll when asked for a new class, it uses avatars as one of the examples when mentioning a pet based class. Now that could have just been used as an example and me delving too deep into things or it could have pointed to a summoner-like class, if not a summoner itself. Also Yoshi says he wants to make FFXIV more FF-y, one of the staple classes of Final Fantasy since 3 is Summoner. So I think if not soon, eventually. At that point the Primal system may be tweaked or who knows what but it'll be fun when it finally gets here.

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As I read it: The pet will be a companion that you train by developing skills. It is not a Summoner type of class.

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Originally Posted by hrdndv

As I read it: The pet will be a companion that you train by developing skills. It is not a Summoner type of class.

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Isn't that what our chocobos are gonna be for?

25,000 sounds like a typo.. seems a bit extreme me... I would imagine given the last rank was 4,500 seals this one will be 5,000 seals to rank... at least i hope

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Isn't that what our chocobos are gonna be for?

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Yep... My reading is that chocobos are going to be one of the pets.

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Originally Posted by Ryans

Not sure if anyone mentioned it but there were no "new" new items added in regards to relics. What I mean by that is there are no new items that are required to obtain relics which leads me to believe the new items from DH and behests are the seals and the same item from the coffers in CC and AV in relation to the relic quest.

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I made a topic about that speculating what drops from them, but we'll just have to wait and find out.

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Originally Posted by hrdndv

As I read it: The pet will be a companion that you train by developing skills. It is not a Summoner type of class.

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Really? Ohhhh, that's interesting! Where can I find that?

But the poll still does mention "avatar" in it. That's all I'm trying to say really. The use of "avatar" is a throwback to the Summoner class of Final Fantasy XI.

Servers up.

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Originally Posted by Daemion

25,000 sounds like a typo.. seems a bit extreme me... I would imagine given the last rank was 4,500 seals this one will be 5,000 seals to rank... at least i hope

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In the Hall of Flames now and I can confirm that its 25k for the promotion and also 25k for the weapons DX

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Originally Posted by Blossoming

In the Hall of Flames now and I can confirm that its 25k for the promotion and also 25k for the weapons DX

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F a bunch of that.

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Originally Posted by Blossoming

In the Hall of Flames now and I can confirm that its 25k for the promotion and also 25k for the weapons DX

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I think 25k is alright, I'm sitting on 42k and I do chocobo escort like every fortnight or so, and I bought 2 lvl 50 GC weapon (the Corporal rank ones), 2 Sergeant Weapons, all chocobo armour and other GC accessories. I know people who sit on 45k before the change in chocobo escort reward.

That's retarded, oh well back to seal farming I guess.

And by retarded, I mean SE finally gave people some longer term goals with clear-cut directions and not "random drop," that many people asked for.

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Originally Posted by blumoon

Really? Ohhhh, that's interesting! Where can I find that?

But the poll still does mention "avatar" in it. That's all I'm trying to say really. The use of "avatar" is a throwback to the Summoner class of Final Fantasy XI.

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Actually the chocobo is not "one of the pets" your chocobo will fall under a different system call the buddy system. No matter what class or job you are on through the buddy system you can raise and train your chocobo to fight along side you. The SMN job will be able to summon avatars and the such from the interviews that Yoshi has given.

The cat is bemused =-.-=

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Originally Posted by NadienKirisame

Actually the chocobo is not "one of the pets" your chocobo will fall under a different system call the buddy system. No matter what class or job you are on through the buddy system you can raise and train your chocobo to fight along side you. The SMN job will be able to summon avatars and the such from the interviews that Yoshi has given.

The cat is bemused =-.-=

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Must. find. interviews. *eye twitch of excitement*

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Originally Posted by blumoon

Must. find. interviews. *eye twitch of excitement*

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Look through the translation thread... Reinheart put up some really good translated Japanese interviews. Also the buddy system was mentioned in a number of the E3 interviews along with summoning... ^^ good luck!

The cat is bemused =-.-=

In a game where there is little low level content, or content that doesn't require enormous investments of time to see a result, where exactly does Square Enix intend to move this game to?

As someone who travels a lot for work and is eager to pursue even small achievements in the game such as these GC weapons, charging 25,000 seals for both a rank and then per weapon is exactly the opposite of opening the game up to normal players.

When we reflect on the state of the game we currently have Garuda which, for the most part is inaccessible to the general player base, relics which (accurately) demand a large amount of attention and time investment and now the Grand Company weapons and equipment which push the players through monotonous game play. What good does this do for people who cannot play every day?

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Originally Posted by NadienKirisame

Look through the translation thread... Reinheart put up some really good translated Japanese interviews. Also the buddy system was mentioned in a number of the E3 interviews along with summoning... ^^ good luck!

The cat is bemused =-.-=

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Thanks and also thanks a bunch for your help! :D

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Originally Posted by blumoon

Thanks and also thanks a bunch for your help! :D

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NP and I'll help you out a bit :P

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ish%29/page376
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ish%29/page377

here is a google docs one Reinheart did ^^
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...T40/edit?pli=1

Happy reading ^^

The cat is bemused =-.-=

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Originally Posted by AkiRouscelia

In a game where there is little low level content, or content that doesn't require enormous investments of time to see a result, where exactly does Square Enix intend to move this game to?

As someone who travels a lot for work and is eager to pursue even small achievements in the game such as these GC weapons, charging 25,000 seals for both a rank and then per weapon is exactly the opposite of opening the game up to normal players.

When we reflect on the state of the game we currently have Garuda which, for the most part is inaccessible to the general player base, relics which (accurately) demand a large amount of attention and time investment and now the Grand Company weapons and equipment which push the players through monotonous game play. What good does this do for people who cannot play every day?

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It gives the Caravan Escort Longevity.. eventually when there's nothing to by... Chocobo Escort will be a waste land in the long run. and 765~1k seals per run even if you did it 1hr a day you get 4k seals per hr that's 7hrs roughly or 1 week. It gives us something to do for a change and not lying around in ul'dah twiddling our thumbs all day long, and shouting to everyone, THIS GAME IS BORING!! >.>.

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Originally Posted by AkiRouscelia

In a game where there is little low level content, or content that doesn't require enormous investments of time to see a result, where exactly does Square Enix intend to move this game to?

As someone who travels a lot for work and is eager to pursue even small achievements in the game such as these GC weapons, charging 25,000 seals for both a rank and then per weapon is exactly the opposite of opening the game up to normal players.

When we reflect on the state of the game we currently have Garuda which, for the most part is inaccessible to the general player base, relics which (accurately) demand a large amount of attention and time investment and now the Grand Company weapons and equipment which push the players through monotonous game play. What good does this do for people who cannot play every day?

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There are many ways to obtains seals (Lesser NM/Ifrit/Caravans/GC leves/DH/Totorak/Supplies/Gathering), what monotonous are you talking about? even if you only play 2hr per day you can easily accumulate 2-4k/hour.

Is this what players these days has become? unwilling to work for your stuff? Jesus they finally give a progression content and now people bitch too?

The new GC weapon is strong, they are strong enough to match primals and you wanted them to hands you in a silver platter with a big cheeky smile?

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When we reflect on the state of the game we currently have Garuda which, for the most part is inaccessible to the general player base, relics which (accurately) demand a large amount of attention and time investment and now the Grand Company weapons and equipment which push the players through monotonous game play. What good does this do for people who cannot play every day?

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i sure hope after the next patch 1.23 they make more than all these instance things the game so far is setup for a LS only or nothing, a hand full of people use the search and im not trying to spend hours /sh for something thats gonna last 20mins.

2.0 cant come soon enough.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

It gives the Caravan Escort Longevity.. eventually when there's nothing to by... Chocobo Escort will be a waste land in the long run. and 765~1k seals per run even if you did it 1hr a day you get 4k seals per hr that's 7hrs roughly or 1 week. It gives us something to do for a change and not lying around in ul'dah twiddling our thumbs all day long, and shouting to everyone, THIS GAME IS BORING!! >.>.

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Yet the chocobo escort system allows only one group of 8 players to participate at one time. I assume that now with it being the method which rewards the most seals currently it will be swamped and monopolised by players camping the NPCs. I do not discredit SE for giving escorts value, but with a limitation it is transparent.

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Originally Posted by AkiRouscelia

In a game where there is little low level content, or content that doesn't require enormous investments of time to see a result, where exactly does Square Enix intend to move this game to?

As someone who travels a lot for work and is eager to pursue even small achievements in the game such as these GC weapons, charging 25,000 seals for both a rank and then per weapon is exactly the opposite of opening the game up to normal players.

When we reflect on the state of the game we currently have Garuda which, for the most part is inaccessible to the general player base, relics which (accurately) demand a large amount of attention and time investment and now the Grand Company weapons and equipment which push the players through monotonous game play. What good does this do for people who cannot play every day?

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I think I didn't make it clear for you, I run chocobo escort only once every two weeks, each time ~ 4-6 runs, and I am sitting on 42k seals. I can't see how that's requiring playing every day. Do you want it instantly given to you?

Also there are 3 camps to do chocobo escort, one is almost guaranteed to be free when the Hamlet it leads to is in battle phase.

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Originally Posted by AkiRouscelia

Yet the chocobo escort system allows only one group of 8 players to participate at one time. I assume that now with it being the method which rewards the most seals currently it will be swamped and monopolised by players camping the NPCs. I do not discredit SE for giving escorts value, but with a limitation it is transparent.

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Yoshi-P doesn't want to add " New New" content till 2.0 is released.. so this is something your going to have to deal with... This is just giving us something to "do" while they get done 2.0... After 2.0, I'm certain they will have lots of new content from your playing pleasures.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

There are many ways to obtains seals (Lesser NM/Ifrit/Caravans/GC leves/DH/Totorak/Supplies/Gathering), what monotonous are you talking about? even if you only play 2hr per day you can easily accumulate 2-4k/hour.

Is this what players these days has become? unwilling to work for your stuff? Jesus they finally give a progression content and now people bitch too?

The new GC weapon is strong, they are strong enough to match primals and you wanted them to hands you in a silver platter with a big cheeky smile?

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No need for you to be so hostile.

But, do you understand the term monotony? It means repeating the same thing over and over, tedious, repetitive content. Every single one of those things you just mentioned is the embodiment of monotonous game play.

I'm a busy person with an active career; I don't mind the game valuing those people with plenty of time to seek greater rewards but, currently, it has no rewards in place for those players who have little time. Is that a little clearer for you?

Also, your location means "Indonesian language"; ditch the 語 if you want it be just Indonesia.

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Originally Posted by AkiRouscelia

No need for you to be so hostile.

But, do you understand the term monotony? It means repeating the same thing over and over, tedious, repetitive content. Every single one of those things you just mentioned is the embodiment of monotonous game play.

I'm a busy person with an active career; I don't mind the game valuing those people with plenty of time to seek greater rewards but, currently, it has no rewards in place for those players who have little time. Is that a little clearer for you?

Also, your location means "Indonesian language"; ditch the 語 if you want it be just Indonesia.

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How do you suppose SE gives out loot then? Oh you did Caravan once, here's the best reward? Oh you did Ifrit once, here are 7 weapons? Of course there is going to be monotony. You can't possibly create enough content to keep people busy if there is no reason to do anything more than once.

So how do you expect them to gives you this GC weapons then? do one quest and tada, here you go one of the strongest weapon before relic? since i just mentioned at least 8 method to obtain seals and alternating them is still a monotony.

I am sorry if i came out as rude, but get used to it if you whine about something :P and thanks for the advice regarding location.

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Originally Posted by AkiRouscelia

No need for you to be so hostile.

But, do you understand the term monotony? It means repeating the same thing over and over, tedious, repetitive content. Every single one of those things you just mentioned is the embodiment of monotonous game play.

I'm a busy person with an active career; I don't mind the game valuing those people with plenty of time to seek greater rewards but, currently, it has no rewards in place for those players who have little time. Is that a little clearer for you?

Also, your location means "Indonesian language"; ditch the 語 if you want it be just Indonesia.

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What the hell? You have solo leves that take 15 minutes at most and Caravans which take ~12 min a run, one you can solo one you can do with 4-5 other people and there are many people that would be happy to join you. You can jump in and do leves whenever you have a spare 15 min or you can do some caravans when you have more time. It's jump-in and jump-out catering especially towards people that cannot invest large periods of time.