Now that FF16 will feature LGBT+ characters, can we get some rep in FF14 too?

Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out of it alive.

IF we are ever gonna get more LGBT characters I'd rather they take their time and make them well made then just being gay is their trait the more you focus on the idea of a characters sexual orientation the less interesting they are prime example Shoreleve from Venture bros. or Gus and Wally from Mission Hill gay yes but not their selling point of being great characters.

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

To be fair, tolerance of intolerance is a stupid thing. Bigotry is about the only think I will block someone for, because mindless hate is just not worth my time anymore. Not to say that the OP is right when he calls somone a bigot because they are obviously a troll using LGBTQ+ folk as a shield to you know… troll (which is just as bad as being a bigot in some ways) but its an interesting point.

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Maybe because in my mind there is no need to put all kinds of letters and more to it creating Team A vs Team B... or Team A vs Team A, which it actually is, love is love and what you fall into in that area really just makes like the next one in line.

Would you be mad at me if I see everyone as equals no matter which way they sway and if one hit on me I would rather be more flattered to be honest and of course be polite and all if I know it wont work out that way, however it does not stop me from having friends, even a relative... acquintances that is into different stuff than me.... from their point of view I am into different stuff than them as well in the end... but that does not mean that we can't have a beverage... see a football match, go onto a bar for Homosexuals for then later on in the evening to another bar or dance place or whatever.

This is more about people accepting each other as who they are rather than placing judgement.

I only got one life and I can't get back the life I already spendt, so live the moment.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Maybe because in my mind there is no need to put all kinds of letters and more to it creating Team A vs Team B... or Team A vs Team A, which it actually is, love is love and what you fall into in that area really just makes like the next one in line.

Would you be mad at me if I see everyone as equals no matter which way they sway and if one hit on me I would rather be more flattered to be honest and of course be polite and all if I know it wont work out that way, however it does not stop me from having friends, even a relative... acquintances that is into different stuff than me.... from their point of view I am into different stuff than them as well in the end... but that does not mean that we can't have a beverage... see a football match, go onto a bar for Homosexuals for then later on in the evening to another bar or dance place or whatever.

This is more about people accepting each other as who they are rather than placing judgement.

I only got one life and I can't get back the life I already spendt, so live the moment.

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It's a noble idea for sure, and perhaps if everyone felt the same the world would be better. But kinda like the ‘I do not see race’ argument, it erases the fact that those teams, if you will, are not on a level playing fields. You just need to look at how horrifically trans folk are being treated around the world currently, not to mention places like Florida’s ‘don’t say gay’ bills and Uganda which has just made even identifying as gay a crime. Gay rights and acceptance has taken great steps forward yes, but history and recent discourse has shown that it can very easily step back. Equality, be it if for gay rights, womens rights etc, is something that should always be faught for. If everyone could just accept people as who they wanna be without judgement then that would great, but we ain’t anywhere near that utopia.

I very much agree with the ‘live in the moment’ attitude. Which is actually why I started blocking outright bigots in the first place. I have spend too much of my time in the past trying to debate people who just want to live in hate. It’s not worth it 90% of the time. Being openly tolerant of such intolerance, for me at least, is akin to accepting it.

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Originally Posted by TMW001

IF we are ever gonna get more LGBT characters I'd rather they take their time and make them well made then just being gay is their trait the more you focus on the idea of a characters sexual orientation the less interesting they are prime example Shoreleve from Venture bros. or Gus and Wally from Mission Hill gay yes but not their selling point of being great characters.

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To be fair, I do not think anyone is saying different. It fascinates me how, when these topics come up, people sternly say they do not want ‘one note characters all about their sexuality’ and like… yes? Of course? Never have I seen these threads, even troll ones like this, say different. No one wants a character who is a hollow stereotype, or who we meet jumping out of closest with rainbow Moogles (OK that would be kinda cool though.)

There are quite a few Gay characters,
If you take the time to do side stories which add to main story.

(The Perfect Woman) Ijin Merchant Kugane X: 11.2 Y: 12.5
^ Is an Easy side quest to show one example.

There are far more same sex relationships than
story on its own shows in the first place.

Lore wise Female Meqo'te Rarely seek company of men,
and prefer company of other Female Meqo'te.
Some Tribes of Au Ra do not allow Women at all,
This is just Two easy examples, where lore infers.

marriage is not always proof many are forced by family, in lore and story.

FFXIV in general is suggestive rather than up front when it comes to sexuality in the first place.
FFXIV is struggling to maintain their ESRB rating of (T) Teen, Already.
No way they add characters that are blatantly open about sexuality.

The ESRB rating for Final Fantasy 16 has confirmed that the game will be rated M for Mature (Edit: Added)

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Originally Posted by TitanMenII

https://twitter.com/RinoTheBouncer/s...49883418689536

#FinalFantasy XVI Updates

- Features LGBT+ characters
- The game is localized in Arabic
- May affect its release in the region
- Square Enix won’t censor LGBT+ content in the Middle East or any region

So will FF14 also see LGBT+ characters in the next expansion? There's no excuse left for not having any major LGBT+ characters in the MSQ now that Square Enix has signaled it's willing to not censor any content in the Middle East.

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I don't see why not.

If FF16 can do it then no reason to deny it in FF14 too.

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Originally Posted by Thelasoriao

LGBT this, LGBT that... how about they focus on just writing a good story. Not score diversity points to appease the Twitter crowd??

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Something tells me that you don't seem to have any issue with any of the Hetero relationships in the game.

We probably shouldn't hold up FF16 as any kind of example until the game is at least out and playable.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

We probably shouldn't hold up FF16 as any kind of example until the game is at least out and playable.

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I remember when DioFiend Cronicles was being Propped up as 'This is going to be some amazing game to demolishes FFXIV'
....nobody talks about it rofl

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

Something tells me that you don't seem to have any issue with any of the Hetero relationships in the game.

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Do you? lol

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Originally Posted by deston07

There are quite a few Gay characters,
If you take the time to do side stories which add to main story.

(The Perfect Woman) Ijin Merchant Kugane X: 11.2 Y: 12.5
^ Is an Easy side quest to show one example.

There are far more same sex relationships than
story on its own shows in the first place.

Lore wise Female Meqo'te Rarely seek company of men,
and prefer company of other Female Meqo'te.
Some Tribes of Au Ra do not allow Women at all,
This is just Two easy examples, where lore infers.

marriage is not always proof many are forced by family, in lore and story.

FFXIV in general is suggestive rather than up front when it comes to sexuality in the first place.
FFXIV is struggling to maintain their ESRB rating of (T) Teen, Already.
No way they add characters that are blatantly open about sexuality.

The ESRB rating for Final Fantasy 16 has confirmed that the game will be rated M for Mature (Edit: Added)

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But why are LGBT+ characters always treated as side characters, and not the mains?

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Originally Posted by TitanMenII

But why are LGBT+ characters always treated as side characters, and not the mains?

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Why do they Need to be mains?
Does Final Fantasy need a game centered around LGBT? Because thats the only reason to make an LGBT Character a Main Character.

If the character HAPPENS to be Gay or such while being a Good character. Cool.
But if being LGBT is the entire focus of their character, then leave them out. It serves no purpose other then to get attention. Which, a videogame should get attention for BEING a Good Game with Good Characters. Or a Movie or a book should get attention for BEING a Good Movie or Book with Good Characters.
Not because it has an LGBT Character, or because of Representation.

It's ok to have variety in the game, but I have question...
Is it foreced to be in the game?

Does FF14 clearly mention that the main characters are heterosexual?

I'll believe it when I see it, but I'm not expecting much from FF16.
There has yet to be a AAA game with a canonically gay male main character whose sexuality is actually represented in-game.

People are perfectly fine with straight romances in all their games, but make the main love interest a man and they suddenly lose their minds, calling it political and claiming it's "forced" and "being shoved down their throats" despite literally everything else about the relationship being identical to a straight one.
Even in this thread, on a forum for a game as LGBT-friendly as FF14, you have people asking for a reason for a character to be LGBT, because for some reason they are the only characters who "need" a compelling reason to justify their existence.

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Originally Posted by Thelasoriao

LGBT this, LGBT that... how about they focus on just writing a good story. Not score diversity points to appease the Twitter crowd??

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I agree I am so sick and tired of hearing about it

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

If the character HAPPENS to be Gay or such while being a Good character. Cool.

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There is no winning with this btw.
If you write any kind of romantic arc to their character to actually 'show' their sexuality, it's labelled as too "in your face" and "centred around their sexuality"
If you just 'mention it' without showing it, then it's tokenism or "this character didn't need to be gay, it's unnecessary"
Meanwhile if you don't mention it overtly, it's pandering or queerbaiting, like Dumbledore.

Ultimately there is never a right way to write a LGBT+ character, because if it isn't deemed offensive stereotype by the LGBT+ community, then the self proclaimed majority will always find fault with it.
Minorities are not allowed to be centre stage, it upsets the heteronormatives. We are reminded that queer is not "the norm" and therefore has to be relegated to sidekicks.
It's not allowed to not be an issue, if a queer character exists, there is some kind of problem somewhere, and it is only tolerable if it's easy enough to ignore.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

There is no winning with this btw.

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And this is caused by themselve though.

In movies characters were usualy just chosen because they suit their role. Its skill that decided who would take a certain position. Skin and sexual preference were irrelevant for the movies. A gay person does often still show certain things that identify that, but that is a natural way of it being shown.

These days however, movies are often forcing this as a political statement. Pushing politics into something that should be enjoyable is often a bad idea. Stereotyping on that however is a diffirent story (if someone needs to act italian, there are simple tricks to do so, even if the actor is american), its also the reason why bad guys often originate from certain countries, as that country can be used to enforce that. It adds to the story.

But noone can explain me why its realy needed to make a certain character black, gay or whatever when the original film/books/game had good reasons not to do so. It removes immersion for political reasons which is extremely bad. Its made worse by those communities, because they shout about their achievement, making something that might not have been designed to be political, still something that is used like that.

They made it that bad, people just want a basic and simple situation, which means the original standard that was used in movies for a long time, is the standard again. That its a white male... thats just how it is. But i can also already tell that if you would put Samuel L Jackson in a movie, regardless of role people like it, because again: its the actor thats doing the good job. David hasselhoff, no diffirence. Most of the actors in recent movies do their job horribly, and thats why people get sick of it.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Ultimately there is never a right way to write a LGBT+ character

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To think there's not even a single LGBT writer can create a story of note to represent LGBT. it must be so HARD to get it right.

But we are special. We make demands. And you will cater to us.

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In movies characters were usualy just chosen because they suit their role. Its skill that decided who would take a certain position. Skin and sexual preference were irrelevant for the movies. A gay person does often still show certain things that identify that, but that is a natural way of it being shown.

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When was this? Because the token minority character was already very much a thing in the 80/90s.

People here acting like movies and books were all political-free until 10 years ago...

is there anything more gay than two husbands (thancred and urianger) raising their lesbian daughter who ends up dating a big titty goth gf
(i'm kidding, if you can't tell.)

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Originally Posted by Denji

is there anything more gay than two husbands (thancred and urianger) raising their lesbian daughter who ends up dating a big titty goth gf
(i'm kidding, if you can't tell.)

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Two white male? sorry, not inclusive enough.

We LGBT folks have standard.

My two cents: more games should just give you the option to play as male or female and choose your character's sexuality (2nd option only needed if there are dating mechanics) and then there should be options for same sex relationships and staying solo should be possible even if you want to max out friendship points or whatever

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

To think there's not even a single LGBT writer can create a story of note to represent LGBT. it must be so HARD to get it right.

But we are special. We make demands. And you will cater to us.

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Incorrect, ever hear of lost girl? That was lgbt well written story

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Originally Posted by BRVV

My two cents: more games should just give you the option to play as male or female and choose your character's sexuality (2nd option only needed if there are dating mechanics) and then there should be options for same sex relationships and staying solo should be possible even if you want to max out friendship points or whatever

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Isn't that already the case for most games with a relationship focus and a character creator?

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

Two white male? sorry, not inclusive enough.

We LGBT folks have standard.

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They're also interracial. A hyur and an elezen.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

Isn't that already the case for most games with a relationship focus and a character creator?

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Maybe most... cries in Persona

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

People here acting like movies and books were all political-free until 10 years ago...

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It’s more that the general public didn’t care as much about politics as they do now, starting around 10 years ago

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

When was this? Because the token minority character was already very much a thing in the 80/90s.

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Thats because black people are still common enough in society. And especialy in the US, where variety in certain regions is higher, the general average can be higher. If you want a movie in the US, you should aim for an equal number of black people. This works with any minority since its a way to add immersion. It has a function in a movie as it enforces location.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

People here acting like movies and books were all political-free until 10 years ago...

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10y ago because twitter and facebook werent widespread, there was no feedback towards those companies. They werent influenced. But these days they are. And this feedback is often just minorities complaining. But as usual, most complaints are invalid.

Sure, there are cases where the complaints indeed were valid. As for example in comic books, black people were often left out (costed more ink). But at the same time, they are trying to make something that isnt realistic by pushing too much black into movies. Its not realistic compared to how most areas are where the viewers live. If this gap becomes too big, they will stop watching. Classic hollywoods lack of being influenced generaly made hollywoods general situation its baseline. And even if it was slightly off balance, it wasnt disturbing because all movies were equal.

For sexual preference, there is another issue. Most viewers are straight, so any story involving love, to get immersion, should trigger their brain into such situation. A gay situation is therefor counter productive towards 95% of people.

Making movies still relies on marketing, so its more efficient to target the 95%, and yes, it means sometimes things wont get represented at all. But it requires a very good writer for that, and a good story. These simply arent being made as often, and sadly, if they do, only get a small bit of the attention towards a movie that doesnt. Its nature... and its harsh, but thats nature. Be glad they at least are still represented as side characters, as there they are the least disruptive. And be glad that even if a gay is forced to play a straight character, that such person is playing the main role. As that is still something the community can be proud of. Because there are definitely movies in which they are better.

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Originally Posted by Thelasoriao

LGBT this, LGBT that... how about they focus on just writing a good story. Not score diversity points to appease the Twitter crowd??

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cant like this enough ...yes! ffs

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Originally Posted by MistyMew

cant like this enough ...yes! ffs

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Congratulations, you liked a homophobic alt-right troll...

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Originally Posted by TitanMenII

Congratulations, you liked a homophobic alt-right troll...

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People like you must have the word on speed dial.

Please explain to me what sexuality has to do with saving the world from total annihilation and helping people.

Dunno but you can marry same sex players. I don't see a problem with having npcs in relationships with the same sex. But it does not have to be a story point.

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Originally Posted by TitanMenII

Homophobic

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This word makes no sense with how its used....the English Language continues to get dumbed down harder then FFXIV's Job Identity.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

This word makes no sense with how its used....the English Language continues to get dumbed down harder then FFXIV's Job Identity.

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Educate yourself

https://amp.theguardian.com/games/20...in-video-games

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Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos

Please explain to me what sexuality has to do with saving the world from total annihilation and helping people.

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Educate yourself

https://amp.theguardian.com/games/20...in-video-games

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Originally Posted by TitanMenII

Educate yourself

https://amp.theguardian.com/games/20...in-video-games

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Read a Thesaurus.

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Originally Posted by TitanMenII

Educate yourself

https://amp.theguardian.com/games/20...in-video-games

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Educate yourself

https://www.mindful.org/how-to-be-mo...to-compassion/

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

It’s more that the general public didn’t care as much about politics as they do now, starting around 10 years ago

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This is ABSOLUTELY untrue.

Heart of Darkness was a novel that criticized colonialism and was written in 1899. The burning of the Library of Alexandria in 48 BC means that books were written that incensed people to want to destroy them. People OBVIOUSLY cared about "political books" since literally thousands of years ago.

Please stop letting Titanmen make forum accounts forever