Hildibrand for relic? Really?

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Not sure whether they were being actually serious about this or not, but either way it's bad form to require such an absurdly long questline to be completed before we can do this expansion’s relic. I don’t even think Ivalice is as time consuming, and at least acts as a skill check on the playerbase.

Just why?

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As others have probably said, Ivalice is more time consuming than blitzing Hildi quests and skipping cutscenes if you aren't into the humor. Bozja's Ivalice require was still the most extensive in terms of time consuming and effort. And no, it didn't act as "a skill check".

As for why...that I have no idea. It does seem wildly random.

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If we're missing out on field/exploration content/zones, that WILL piss me off, since that's my favorite kind of content in the game...

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Don't worry, it seems players like us who wanted something serious are no longer welcome I guess.

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You're getting Mythic+ dungeons, though. At least you're getting SOMEthing.

Players like me are getting nothing.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

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If we're missing out on field/exploration content/zones, that WILL piss me off, since that's my favorite kind of content in the game...

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Highly agree on this; Eureka and Bozja were so much fun, especially playing with the Logos/Lost Actions to see what your job could do. If we do lose it, that's a huge loss for the game and the endgame grind; I really hope it wasn't replaced in favor for harder 4 man dungeons...

I've played through all the Hildibrand quests and mostly enjoyed them but this? This bothers me in a way I cannot describe well. I generally dislike the possibility that it could lead to all the relic stages looking like jokes. Yeah, I know some of the weapon design contest winners were generally goofy or joke type weapons but they could easily make them glamour weapons (for clarification when I say this I mean ilvl 1 no stats or level restrictions like most stuff that tends to get called glamour equipment).

Maybe I'm also against the idea that this might mean sage and reaper will get shafted and stuck with gaudy weapons for their first relics. I know we have no idea what the weapons will look like but honestly? The vibes do not mesh. I would like majestic, visually impressive relics not something made out of pyrite.

As for the person claiming "tHIS isn't about power level!!!" bruh relics in this game have literally always been about pushing limits with the amount of power they can contain, they always end up being the BIS weapons at the end of an expansion's patch cycle. Relics always eventually moved to "just for glamour" when they are no longer current but I highly doubt as current content they will be exclusively for glamour. Please stop pulling takes out of nowhere.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

Highly agree on this; Eureka and Bozja were so much fun, especially playing with the Logos/Lost Actions to see what your job could do. If we do lose it, that's a huge loss for the game and the endgame grind; I really hope it wasn't replaced in favor for harder 4 man dungeons...

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To be honest, it's possible that we may not get exploration zones associated with the relic at all, or even entirely. This could be because of pouring resources into Island Sanctuary, or they may want to make Deep Dungeon become a little more than a corridor crawler.

I tell ya one thing. Folks have been up in arms about things being samey yet the moment they actually throw a curve folks are upset. I'm indifferent atm. I'll judge it as I do it and give it a chance. People are making WAY to many assumptions

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Absurdly long? Just skip the scenes, it takes like 2-4 hours which is probably not so different from their requirement of Ivalician raids for the Bozjan relics. Ivalice doesn't act as any form of skill-check LOL. Those raids are regularly a 30-40 minute slogfest of wiping and throwing corpses at the bosses until they die.

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aye kupo the actual questline is very easy and fast kupo <3 no worries

I'm just going to repost what I posted back when SE was forcing us to do CT for MSQ and Rabanastre (level 70 content) for Resistance Weapons (level 80 content).

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Originally Posted by Xtrasweettea

First it was the Rabanastre side story-line completion requirement in addition to completing 5.0 MSQ just to unlock the first Level 80 Relic quest.
Now it is having to complete CT side story-line and raids just to continue the MSQ.

To me, it seems like SE really wants us to do these pieces of content for some reason beyond helping them with keeping story-lines straight.

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My stance is still the same.

I am at least half way done with the HW quests. Skip Cut-scene is the most viewed textbox for me (just like I did for CT and Rab). Plan on doing the same for the rest of these quests.

Relics are just glamour in the end anyways, so I like this!

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

To be honest, it's possible that we may not get exploration zones associated with the relic at all, or even entirely. This could be because of pouring resources into Island Sanctuary, or they may want to make Deep Dungeon become a little more than a corridor crawler.

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I don't think we are. i loved the relic zones I can hope we'll see them again in 7.0. I suspect the resources that would have gone into BA/DRS etc were put into Criterian Dungeons.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I tell ya one thing. Folks have been up in arms about things being samey yet the moment they actually throw a curve folks are upset. I'm indifferent atm. I'll judge it as I do it and give it a chance. People are making WAY to many assumptions

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I'm not sure how I feel about it, honestly. I love Hildibrand, but the only way I could see it really working for most people is if it involved Gilgamesh in some way. If it's a silly adventure over all for our relic weapons, I'm not sure I'd approve. But we'll have to see how it plays out. It is indeed too early to make any sort of judgements on this, but I do have my concerns.

“Honey, what’s wrong? You haven’t touched your Hyperconductive Senior Sabotender Blade.”

Looking forward to it.

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Originally Posted by AziraSyuren

“Honey, what’s wrong? You haven’t touched your Hyperconductive Senior Sabotender Blade.”

Looking forward to it.

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What she said kupo <3 rofl

I absolutely hate it, and I don't know how anyone behind this decision thoguht it was a good idea.
Anyone I talked to (not talking about people on these forums of course) hates the idea as much or much much more.
Really sad to see something everybody was looking forward to, especially SGE and RPR mains, locked behind a quest chain that a great portion of the playerbase absolutely detests.

And no, it's not just the pre-requisite. They said the progression is quest-based, so I imagine the whole relic progression is tied to more Hildibrand/Manderville humor quests unquely. And it's not even "just skip cutscenes", especially if quests are all the relic grind you get. And yeah, I also expect them to look like joke weapons, similar to the Saucer ones.
And to those who say "they're just skins, if you don't like them don't do it": no, they're not just skin.They're powerful weapons, and BiS on their last step. It's only side content up to a point.

Oh, and I'm someone who did do the whole questchain up to Kugane Ohashi, both for the BLU spells and for the mentor roulette. And I deeply regretted it. Not only going through the quests is painful even if you skip, the trials are very unfun and pretty wipey (they're hard whle not being the fun type of hard either), so unlocking them kinda screws your trials roulette forever.

Anyway I'll probably just skip it, but I'm neither a raider who needs BiS, nor a SGE or RPR main who's excitedly awaiting their first glowy weapon.
I'll just take my time finishing resistance weapons and start working on some of the older ones, but I'll miss the fun of working on new stuff with friends (which probably won't be possible anyway since progression is quest-based so probably solo).

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

I'm curious as to how that you would know that of the players that are interested in the relic- and I have no idea of how many complete this completely optional content - how would you know "Devs need to see by making these kind of decisions they cater to a minority while pissing off the majority. These are not good decisions"

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Because it's not about knowing the players. It's about knowing the content. It's niche, optional content so it is just common sense to know that not only will the content not appeal to everyone, it will indeed appeal to very specific players. That's a big problem. Imagine requiring players to do tribe quests, squadrons, or custom deliveries in order to advance the relic. Same thing on all accounts.

Relic grinds making players go into PvE content is fine. Incentivizing relic grinders to run older content helps new players. Forcing a player to do Hildabrand does this, how?

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

I understand that it's your opinion, and clearly there are others in this thread that share that opinion. However others do not. I could understand if you're disappointed in a decision - even if many details haven't been released as yet- however there are likely a fair amount of people who are looking forwards to the new relic.

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It's not an opinion that more players are interested in the relic than Hildabrand. It's also not an opinion that a lot of players don't want to be required to do a long questline on top of another long questline to obtain said relic. Those are facts whether you choose to see them as such or not. And if you need more convincing, you only need to look at the fact that the devs chose to gate the relic behind the Hildabrand questline.

I hated every last bit of Endwalker's story so Hildy, my waifu, being back was a colossal relief I'm really looking forward to this.
THAT SAID I hope the weapon contest designs are not relics, those should be event rewards or new MGP prizes.
Not to mention the weapon contest winners dont follow any kind of theme and most relics have some similar aesthetical theming to them beyond just the glow.

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There’s a difference between having an odd funny moment every now and then and it being shoved into everything including being extremely prominent in the expansjon about the end of the world and mass extinction. But anyhow have to say it’s sad to see this game slowly go in the direction it once was from serious,gritty and meaningful to now resorting to childish comedy to keep players entertained.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Eureka is its own separate content, designed for people who are interested in its unique mechanics and progress. Hildibrand is something you need to go through in order to even UNLOCK the separate content for the relic. They're not comparable. The only comparison that would have been fair would be the need to clear Return to Ivalice to unlock Bozja.

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Yes and since its is own separate content you are forced to use it if you want to do the relic weapon at all. With this one, the only information we have is, that you need to have gone through the Hildibrand quests. Something which is done once. Afterwards the relic could be like they were in other expansions where you can farm it from normal content. So bascially if you skip the cutscenes of Hildibrand and do these quests in a few hours the whole relic could still be good. If you dont like Eureka you have no chance to gain the relic any other way.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

There’s a difference between having an odd funny moment every now and then and it being shoved into everything including being extremely prominent in the expansjon about the end of the world and mass extinction. But anyhow have to say it’s sad to see this game slowly go in the direction it once was from serious,gritty and meaningful to now resorting to childish comedy to keep players entertained.

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I mean we averted the apocalypse so Yshtola could immediately open a portal to hell instead of, idk, using the freaking rocket we have docked in Labyrinthos to go to the first so this is a massive step up, quite frankly.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Yes and since its is own separate content you are forced to use it if you want to do the relic weapon at all. With this one, the only information we have is, that you need to have gone through the Hildibrand quests. Something which is done once. Afterwards the relic could be like they were in other expansions where you can farm it from normal content. So bascially if you skip the cutscenes of Hildibrand and do these quests in a few hours the whole relic could still be good. If you dont like Eureka you have no chance to gain the relic any other way.

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TBF Im sure they'll staple some annoying crap to do to get relic mats like pray to god your criterion dungeon party isnt 3/4ths blindingly incompetent (theres still people not using essences in bozja!) at their job to get 1 mat per run...12.5% of the time.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

This whole thread boils down to: It's ok if you don't like this content or Hildebrand. Plenty of people disliked Bozja and Eureka as well. They can't make everyone happy all the time. Personally I'm excited to see what Eorzea's greatest blacksmith and goldsmith will bring.

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This sums up my thoughts nicely.

I greatly disliked Bozja, however I still managed to squeeze out a couple of relics for my jobs. I skipped Eurekan relics all together. It's up to each person to decide whether or not the weapon itself is going to be worth the potential slog. I imagine most of us have suffered through content we don't enjoy solely for the rewards. Just add this to that pile if Hildebrand isn't your thing.

With that said, I am excited for more Hildy! Bring on the silliness.

Can't believe there are people who work in to relic weapons day 1 instead of waiting a month or two for the nerfs. They have never been fun to do.

In SHB they demanded runs of CT Raids , totally out of their minds.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Can't believe there are people who work in to relic weapons day 1 instead of waiting a month or two for the nerfs. They have never been fun to do.

In SHB they demanded runs of CT Raids , totally out of their minds.

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They also demanded 18 Ivalice runs in a row for mats though thankfully they made that not redoable after you complete it the first time.
Still gotta do 15 Syrcus runs though and thats appalling needing 24 players to get 1 mat for YOUR weapon is straight insanity

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Can't believe there are people who work in to relic weapons day 1 instead of waiting a month or two for the nerfs. They have never been fun to do.

In SHB they demanded runs of CT Raids , totally out of their minds.

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To be fair, every relic grind outside of Eureka requires running CT. I hate it, but it is what it is.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

To be fair, every relic grind outside of Eureka requires running CT. I hate it, but it is what it is.

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forget Steps of Faith make CT raids solo fights.
Slap gear in gold saucer idc Im sick to death of CT Graha PlayerSimpia is not worth it

I personally love this, Hildibrand is a god among underpants.

This gives them the opportunity to revisit some plot holes in Hildibrands hero story from a certain expansion and have all his family and friends be there!

Plus i have to have Greg make me some new glowy knuckles.

https://i.imgur.com/AMdMZCo.png

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Can't believe there are people who work in to relic weapons day 1 instead of waiting a month or two for the nerfs. They have never been fun to do.

In SHB they demanded runs of CT Raids , totally out of their minds.

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Problem is if you wait too long it can actually be close to impossible to do. Anyone just starting ShB relics right now is going to have a rough time. Getting groups for things like DR or Dalriada is very hit or miss and absolutely requires out of game tools like Discord to make happen.

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Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

I personally love this, Hildibrand is a god among underpants.

This gives them the opportunity to revisit some plot holes in Hildibrands hero story from a certain expansion and have all his family and friends be there!

Plus i have to have Greg make me some new glowy knuckles.

https://i.imgur.com/AMdMZCo.png

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Im at least very for sure we'll get a ufo mount.
Nashu was being carried by the beam of light in the 6.15 story end so let us pray.
Oooh maybe itll play ff8 overworld music since PuPu are from ff8 thatd be based

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Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

I personally love this, Hildibrand is a god among underpants.

This gives them the opportunity to revisit some plot holes in Hildibrands hero story from a certain expansion and have all his family and friends be there!

Plus i have to have Greg make me some new glowy knuckles.

https://i.imgur.com/AMdMZCo.png

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I am goddamn waiting for XII Greg, give me my Sunflower DRK weapon damn it

I liek it!

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Originally Posted by XiRon

Im at least very for sure we'll get a ufo mount.
Nashu was being carried by the beam of light in the 6.15 story end so let us pray.
Oooh maybe itll play ff8 overworld music since PuPu are from ff8 thatd be based

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So many possibilities!!

Yeeaaah.

Pass.

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Originally Posted by Denji

Yeeaaah.

Pass.

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so you say but wait til your main has a really sexy weapon with a gr8 glow effect

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Originally Posted by XiRon

so you say but wait til your main has a really sexy weapon with a gr8 glow effect

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I don't use weapons that glow. Looks tacky.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

There’s a difference between having an odd funny moment every now and then and it being shoved into everything including being extremely prominent in the expansjon about the end of the world and mass extinction. But anyhow have to say it’s sad to see this game slowly go in the direction it once was from serious,gritty and meaningful to now resorting to childish comedy to keep players entertained.

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Moogles teaching Dark Knights the power of love through a song and dance number was serious and gritty?

so Im doing all healer weapons bc main and gunbreaker and maybe pld...
I might do monk because monk shook me with how much I love its revamp.
Might also do dnc because I didnt get the bozjan dnc weapon even though it killed and slayed and served.
But thats it unless warrior gets a hammer why does war have only like 2 damn hammers and they both suck. (gaia/nero hammers when?)

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Originally Posted by XiRon

so Im doing all healer weapons bc main and gunbreaker and maybe pld...
I might do monk because monk shook me with how much I love its revamp.
Might also do dnc because I didnt get the bozjan dnc weapon even though it killed and slayed and served.
But thats it unless warrior gets a hammer why does war have only like 2 damn hammers and they both suck. (gaia/nero hammers when?)

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Windows XP panda hammer is dyable which is nice but I am in firm agreement that we need more hammers.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Moogles teaching Dark Knights the power of love through a song and dance number was serious and gritty?

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Machinist having a girl who turned into a cockney every time she fired was so for real tho.
Oh and dancer being an exorcist bc nothing removes demons like...bellydancing.
And how could we forget black mage forcing you to do the cry emote at three randos because your guild leader effed up?

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Originally Posted by Denji

Windows XP panda hammer is dyable which is nice but I am in firm agreement that we need more hammers.

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Im so mad the only nonsavage hammer is undyable the dwarf mythril hammer would be so based if it werent baby puke green

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Moogles teaching Dark Knights the power of love through a song and dance number was serious and gritty?

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Of which 1, it’s frowned upon and 2, is again, a small joke sequence whereas the rest of the questline is incredibly gritty or are we going to just forget about the heretic lady sacrificing people and willing to kill her own daughter who then gets beheaded. Are we being willfully obtuse today Mikko or?

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Of which 1, it’s frowned upon and 2, is again, a small joke sequence whereas the rest of the questline is incredibly gritty or are we going to just forget about the heretic lady sacrificing people and willing to kill her own daughter who then gets beheaded. Are we being willfully obtuse today Mikko or?

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No, I provided an example of something not serious happening in an otherwise grim storyline. If you can say "I'm going to ignore that and move on" to the DRK Moogles then I'm not sure why small moments in Endwalker are hard to swallow either.