Are FF14 players more feminine

can we just ask for more hairstyles and beards pls- you know, actual important stuff

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

can we just ask for more hairstyles and beards pls- you know, actual important stuff

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This +1. I wish they would add more beard options for men, and muscle sliders, more hairstyles like a man bun etc

OP is kind of right. This game isn't very manly. Too many "femboys" as the internet calls them. All races should look more like a Frank Frazetta art really.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

OP is kind of right. This game isn't very manly. Too many "femboys" as the internet calls them. All races should look more like a Frank Frazetta art really.

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No such thing as too many femboys.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

Furry and a WLW in that last group. I feel solidarity in the buff kitty camp.

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One of my female and pan furry friends liked the idea of a butch lesbian approach for the female Hrothgar; that would be pretty rad to see.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

No such thing as too many femboys.

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When niche aesthetics start coming at the expense of conventional aesthetics, I daresay there is.

Many gay men - myself included - aren't particularly interested in men with overly feminine aesthetics. I'm sure the same can be said of many women, too.

And we cycle back to Western vs Eastern ideals of masculinity.

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Originally Posted by RecoveryPotion

This +1. I wish they would add more beard options for men, and muscle sliders, more hairstyles like a man bun etc

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My cat-boy is in dire need of muscle sliders, particularly as he has a fondness for the Hempen Undershirt and Coeurl Briefs and that combo he can appear very frail.

May the graphics updates of the future allow for hunkier catboys.

While he has gotten some appreciation in MSQ cutscenes and random players....I still imagine him having more muscle.

IDk I have seen people of all sorts here. I like it. It has made me less angry and dramatic as I was in other games. I dont know if I would say players are either more masc or fem, but a healthy mixture of people just having fun

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

And we cycle back to Western vs Eastern ideals of masculinity.

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The Chad Western ripped barbarian with flowing locks of gold and eyes of steel vs the Virgin bishi.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

The Chad Western ripped barbarian with flowing locks of gold and eyes of steel vs the Virgin bishi.

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I mean, I'm inclined to agree with you. It's just that "SE only listens to JP" might be a meme, but a real one. I don't really see JP suddenly jumping up and down for some Conan aesthetics (ESO just got a couple in that vein, I am very much a fan of old-pulp-fantasy-power-fantasy lookins) when the bulk of their player base plays lalafell.

OP needs to get out more.

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Originally Posted by deadman1204

OP needs to get out more.

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That's a feminine attack! If you're a man you'd just tell me to neck myself.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

That's a feminine attack! If you're a man you'd just tell me to neck myself.

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I mean, no one said you couldn't do that outside. lol

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Originally Posted by Skiros

That's a feminine attack! If you're a man you'd just tell me to neck myself.

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It's been a good thread, everyone. :(

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I mean, I'm inclined to agree with you. It's just that "SE only listens to JP" might be a meme, but a real one. I don't really see JP suddenly jumping up and down for some Conan aesthetics (ESO just got a couple in that vein, I am very much a fan of old-pulp-fantasy-power-fantasy lookins) when the bulk of their player base plays lalafell.

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The developers look at Western feedback too. As one example, they noted in interviews that it seemed to be a driving force behind upcoming challenge dungeon content, since they were surprised by the amount of Western feedback that involved requests for harder dungeon content.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

The developers look at Western feedback too. As one example, they noted in interviews that it seemed to be a driving force behind upcoming challenge dungeon content, since they were surprised by the amount of Western feedback that involved requests for harder dungeon content.

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Hello darkness my old friend~

Well it's nice to know they look at western feedback just to look away and pretend they didn't see it.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

The Chad Western ripped barbarian with flowing locks of gold and eyes of steel vs the Virgin bishi.

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I mean, nowadays?
It feels like every Western dev nowadays thinks that having conventional power fantasies is like some great social ill that they need to save us from.
We're at the point where stuff like the Malkavians in Vampire Bloodlines became a big deal because they were a '' poor representation of the mentally ill '', so now we can't have them be wacky and comedic in Bloodlines 2...
There's apparently quite a lot of people who unironically can't separate reality from fantasy.

Only exceptions I can think of really both in regards to Conan-esque male characters and more conventionally feminine female characters are old and are from sometimes over a decade ago.
And the Conan-esque male characters have a tendency to become sad dads or have to become more pacifistic.

In the West when it comes to gaming nowadays it's all average and frumpy people whether men or women, lest some ultra insecure person with actual mental health problems who needs actual help plays it and feels bad.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

The developers look at Western feedback too. As one example, they noted in interviews that it seemed to be a driving force behind upcoming challenge dungeon content, since they were surprised by the amount of Western feedback that involved requests for harder dungeon content.

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I mean, best I can think of is that Reaper exists due to Westerners wanting a scythe job. Japan was mostly indifferent to it. I think that's about the extent of how much they listen though, but that's a story for... ten other threads (yikes).

As for this thread...

What.

OP define "feminine" in non-50's Cottagecore terms please?

Because honestly, I've never seen a community as high on testosterone as Roegadyn, Xaela Au Ra, Highlander Hyurs and Hrothgars. Yes, even the ones with flowers on your hair, I see you. You're cute and pretty but everyone knows not to mess with you because you bite. And you bite hard.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

The developers look at Western feedback too.

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Only to be surprised, then turn right round and return to their normal feedback channels.

If they did actually listen, you wouldn't be losing your ears tomorrow.

Lookin pretty today kirod

Imo someone who plays a Male Viera in a speedo wearing makeup and a flower crown is 500 times more masculine per default for just behaving like a normal human being as a person.
Than someone who plays an Orc in WoW wearing big spiky armor and a huge axe who has unhinged and rage-filled mental breakdowns in voice chat and screeches about '' weebs ''.

A man is someone who's secure in himself and doesn't feel like they have to prove to everyone how manly they are, that's what young boys do.

Only low testosterone levels in this game, boys.

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Originally Posted by DaddyHrothgar

Only low testosterone levels in this game, boys.

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Originally Posted by DaddyHrothgar

Only low testosterone levels in this game, boys.

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Imagine Godbert with low testosterone.

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Originally Posted by DaddyHrothgar

Only low testosterone levels in this game, boys.

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Oh hey, the latest Titanmen alt has appeared.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Only to be surprised, then turn right round and return to their normal feedback channels.

If they did actually listen, you wouldn't be losing your ears tomorrow.

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You say that like only Western players have a problem with the ears being removed.

Their characters sure are (even some male model) :D

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Only to be surprised, then turn right round and return to their normal feedback channels.

If they did actually listen, you wouldn't be losing your ears tomorrow.

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I mean, they don’t always fully make gameplay changes in response to Western feedback, but I was replying to a forum post about the supposed lack of listening altogether. My Hrothgar self would like to keep his lovely and cute ears for newer hairstyle options, yes.

Nothing is more masculine than a Roe wearing a pink 2B glam.
Now if only we can get a polka dot pattern

I'm a straight dude with an appreciation for women with muscles. Don't judge me.

Me, a nonbinary player, living my best life ignoring the notions of "feminity" and "masculinity" and wearing what I like on my max muscle-max height highlanders

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Originally Posted by Skiros

I get the sense that FF14 players are on average more feminine and less aggressive than players on Lost Ark or WoW. I honestly think FF14 attracts more feminine and LGBT people because of its presentation. You can tell Lost Ark mostly attracts straight dudes with their skimpy female design and male warriors that look like a pure power fantasy. I'm curious if SE intentionally designed FF14 to attract more feminine players.

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meha personally wont answer that but

Wow is just a bunch of a fat ass wanna be players that sit on their ass filthy and stuffing their face with hot pockets wanna being they are "muscular" while playing some muscler race like orcs

Lost ark is trash so i wont comment on that

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Originally Posted by weebtext

That's a pretty feminine beard you've got there sis

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Shit dude, you murdered him...

I'd say you're probably right, I mean look at male viera and the new Hrothgar hair styles, I'd say FFXIV has jumped on the woke band wagon and has went to virtue signaling about the time SHB came out, especially with how easy it is to get banned for saying something that upsets someone.

But the regular dudes your talking about are still around in large numbers in this game, they probably just ain't posting on the forums.

I know I'm not the most masculine cause I'm just a little lala, but I enjoy playing the innocent hero, but I still pee standing up and have to shake afterwards lol

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Originally Posted by VictorTheed

I'd say you're probably right, I mean look at male viera and the new Hrothgar hair styles, I'd say FFXIV has jumped on the woke band wagon and has went to virtue signaling about the time SHB came out, especially with how easy it is to get banned for saying something that upsets someone.

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I know I'm not the most masculine cause I'm just a little lala, but I enjoy playing the innocent hero, but I still pee standing up and have to shake afterwards lol

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1. Saying that XIV is on the "woke train" and "virtue signaling" (god I hate these terms) is a bizarre take when this dev team regularly steals from and generally does not do a fantastic job on representing said cultures (the entirety of the Whalaquee, exoticism, etc).

2. Weird flex.

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Originally Posted by CaptainFishSticks

I'm a straight dude with an appreciation for women with muscles. Don't judge me.

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What does that have to do with anything lol.
Muscular female characters can wear skimpy stuff too.
If anything it tends to get less controversy, people mainly complain about female characters in revealing gear when they're conventionally attractive.
If they're muscular or big then a lot of the same people throwing tantrums about it are suddenly okay with it.

I see significantly more judgement towards people for being into conventionally feminine women than I see the other way around at least online.
Usually it comes across like people who complain about '' sexualization '' aren't actually complaining about it but are complaining because it doesn't suit their taste of it.
I even see this with people who fetishize modesty too, they'll throw a tantrum about a woman showing skin but then in the next breath they'll go on about how much sexier it is when they're covered and the irony just goes over their heads.

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Originally Posted by GaleMex

steals from and generally does not do a fantastic job on representing said cultures (the entirety of the Whalaquee, exoticism, etc).

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Uuum.
It's a fictional world, they're taking inspiration from irl countries and cultures it's not intended to be a historical or cultural piece.

The intent isn't to represent said cultures...
Doma isn't intended to represent Japan either it's just inspired by Japan, it's a fictional place and culture.

When you use the term '' steal '' and you approach it from that mindset you're loading what they're doing so much and so unnecessarily.
You're like reading a shit ton of weird intent into it that just isn't there.
I really have very serious doubts too that anyone from these countries and cultures are genuinely offended by it.
Usually it's people on the outside who get upset on their behalf.

I remember this with Cyberpunk 2077 how there was a ton of artificial outrage about it from people on Twitter and game journalists, especially about the Voodoo boys ( the author is black... ).
And it was a bunch of primarily white Americans in the industry getting upset about it while the people from these cultures CD Projekt Red took inspiration from were hype as hell and happy to see it.

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Originally Posted by CaptainFishSticks

I'm a straight dude with an appreciation for women with muscles. Don't judge me.

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Be careful when they wear stilettos.
Agree on a safe word.
And always keep a first aid kit nearby.

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Originally Posted by VictorTheed

...I still pee standing up and have to shake afterwards...

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The real question is; do you leave the seat up afterwards?

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Originally Posted by Shibi

The real question is; do you leave the seat up afterwards?

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Real men carry it with them in case of emergency.